FN Five-seveN Why aren't we all carrying one?

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If I wanted to carry a large ugly handgun that fires ammo designed to penetrate body armor I'll take the CZ-52 any day of the week thank you very much. At least that handgun is cheap and doesn't look like something out of a sci fi video game.

Tokarev, the original 5.7.
 
FN Five-seveN Why aren't we all carrying one?
I don't carry mine because it's too big. If a smaller gun was made, but still with the 4 inch barrel, I'd probably carry it.
I've done enough backyard testing of the gun that I have confidence in using it as a nightstand gun.

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If you really need 20 rounds to defend against multiple attackers... your already dead, you just don't know it yet.
 

a gang of a dozen people attack you... If they really want you, an extra 5 rounds over another gun is not going to make one diffrence. Yeah you might take out half of them, but when the rest get your hands on you. your dead.
 
Only self defense scenario I can see a use for a 5.7 is an attack by a vicious pack of rabid jackrabbits or ground squirrels.

IMHO, in the same category as .17 HMR snub-nosed revolvers offered by Taurus . . . marketing gimmicks that'll get you killed.
 
The only scenario in recent history in which I've heard where a mob of people rushed an armed individual after he started firing was the CIA operative in the prison in Afghanistan. One of them tried to hold his ground with his 9mm, but was overwhelmed and killed. The other operative that had the full auto AK-47 couldn't keep them back and he lived because he was in better shape and could run faster. During the Phillipine War the Moros Tribal warriors tightly bound their appendages in order to slow blood loss and took narcotics to keep them fighting longer. As a result, the US Army discovered that in addition to shot placement, larger caliber weapons were needed to stop the charging waves. The return of the .45 caliber revolver and the use of the 12-gauge shotgun were two such weapons which effectively put them down. Just one of many examples that history has demonstrated that sometimes smaller does not always get the job done. More tissue destruction shot per shot is what helped in that conflict.

Colonel Jeff Cooper commented in one of his books about magazine capacity. In a shootout when the lead starts flying everyone on the battlefield runs for cover and it becomes a foxhole/trench fight. At this point, a shot or two is exchanged during brief exposures while the opponents try to move into better firing positions. There is often plenty of time to reload, so total ammunition carried is of more importance that magazine capacity. However, these exchanges are rare even for those who carry weapons for a living.....let alone civilians carrying for protection. The victor is usually the one with the long gun(shotgun or rifle) which offers a great leap ahead of the mediocre terminal effects you get from handguns.

You're not going to find anyone in the LE, military, or general shooting community that has relivant experience who will advocate the use of PDW calibers in place of classic service calibers. There is no merit to the calibers other than armour piercing and controllability during cyclic fire. What limited reports I have heard of in the law enforcement community with FN P90s is that it takes a generous burst of fire to effectively put down an armed perp and it is practically worthless when trying to shoot through auto glass.
 
I can see the AP bullets being illegal by current laws (not that I agree mind you) but why was the hollow point pulled? I know it penetrated body armor but the AP laws are written based on bullet construction and not performance? Can the ATF write laws now?

Are they (HPs I mean) restricted or outlawed? There is a difference just like Ranger ammo.

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I think you can still get hp in 5.7. A friend of mine got some a couple of weeks ago at the gun show and thats in CA. If you can get them here you should be able to get them anywhere.
 
I wouldn't trust my life to that round. It's .22 magnum at three times the price.

To me, the Five-seveN is just a very expensive toy, a way to make shooting rats at the dump more expensive than using my AR15 for the same job.

No thanks.
 
This gun is only good for its intended use: to get SOMETHING past body armor to stop the bad guy.

Oh yeah, and maybe close range varmint hunting.
 
ok. so there were 15 kills with one or two shots.

How many people have sucked up 20 rounds without being killed by 5.7?

I think that's a much more important number.
 
This argument never ends. It's been played out hundreds of times on many gun discussion forums.

Buy the gun if you like it
. Don't, if you do not like it.

If you are looking for an answer on these forums (all the various general gun forums), you will never get 1. Some of the same guys always jump into it with naysaying every time. In fact, this thread has stayed surprisingly civil, because they (threads on this topic) typically breakdown into name calling and insults.

I quit getting into these discussions, because they go on forever. I think the round is a good round. Go buy the gun (PS90 or Five Seven) if you really want to. I do not think you will be disappointed. Come check out the FN Forum if you want to learn more.
 
Once again it's obvious that there is no one gun that is perfect for everyone, and every situation. But why some feel obligated to trash everything that don't trip their trigger is beyond me. Maybe they're just insecure with their own choices in life.

I don't own a 5-7 and have no immediate need or desire for one. But it is a interesting round and I'm sure for many, a fun gun to own and to shoot.
 
It's .22 magnum

No it is 5.7x28 you can refer to ballistics but the caliber 5.7x28

How many people have sucked up 20 rounds without being killed by 5.7?

If the reports serve me none,

a gang of a dozen people attack you

I was thinking 3-5 hoods but yeah 12 determined attackers only an Uzi would deal then.

The weight issue sell me a lot on the FS, but then THAT is not mentioned here, I wonder why?
 
I wanted a 5-7 until I handled one.

S&W Sigma quality in the gun's manufacture/fit/finish. Godawful gritty trigger.

Those are things that the ammo availability/cost cannot overcome.

My venerable 80s Sig 226 holds 19 with the Mec-gar 18 round magazines and one in the tube, has a much better trigger and sights, and well, groups much better because of that.

I don't want to face multiple attackers with any handgun, but if it came down to it I'll stick with other options.

If I expect to need something more significant, can always bring the Vector MP5-PDW SBR with me if I need something in handgun size with increased magazine capacity, sight radius, and firepower. Ideally I'll bring a real rifle.

The 5-7 is just not particularly appealing except in my experience to women shooters who love the extremely light recoil - and who can get access to the real ammo with their department letterhead.
 
The weight issue sell me a lot on the FS, but then THAT is not mentioned here, I wonder why?

A good belt, holster, and a reasonable amount of spare magazines and the weight is a non-issue for anyone willing to carry a fullsize gun.

I should also add that in terms of raw bulk (which is a real issue as much as weight) the 5-7's spare magazines are far larger than most alternatives.
 
See, i told you... No conversations that actually matter... It's always this way.....

It's either neg comments about the round, or now, the gun is too ugly.
 
or now, the gun is too ugly.

If it was a $400 gun, I could forgive some tooling/molding/machining marks. But it's not. Not by a long shot.

I can live with the spacegun appearance. It doesn't bother me.

What bothers me is the trigger that time and common sense forgot. It's flat out awful. Better than a VP70, but not much.
 
The weapon was intended as a military sidearm. Right along with the P90, same ammo. Interchangability. Its great if you need to pierce armor or shoot steel plates all day. As far as PDW, i like my six shooter.
 
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