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[hags]

If you are one which has watched this thread, in all it's various forms, and as the issue became not the gun but the reloaded ammo, you'd realize that the company reputation is just fine and has actually has been enhanced by the outcome. Even then, FN has stood behind their product after the suspected reload was ID'd as the culprit.

Hey Mike, I don't know what thread you're reading but as recently as page 8 the OOB firing issue has been raised.

So, I am one that reads and pays attention.
:banghead:

 

[Double Naught Spy]

You can't honestly believe that this single incident and postings has had any sort of real impact on an international company like FN, can you?

 

[Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow]

Darned right it does. Might be small, but certainly "real", espec. once repeated and repeated and linked to and..... net stuff spreads like wildfire.

 

[Jim Watson]

I think that FN did what they could to scotch the adverse publicity that can be generated so fast on the internet. Note that they not only replaced the gun that the OP demolished, they also wrecked another one to document their position of an overload being at fault.

 

[jlangton]

I think that FN did what they could to scotch the adverse publicity that can be generated so fast on the internet. Note that they not only replaced the gun that the OP demolished, they also wrecked another one to document their position of an overload being at fault.

I totally agree. If they had just ignored the failure,then the bad publicity would be like an breakout of the flu,and do serious damage to the credibility of the company. IMO-they did the right thing,and this public exposure to the results of overloaded ammo might scare others that are contemplating reloads for this caliber to steer clear of it.
JL

 

[NATE42ND]

What was the verdict on this? Without reading every post I was wondering? I have my eye on one of these. I had better think twice I guess. WOW! I am ussume it was the loads but there is no way to prove it now. hmmmmmm.

 

[hags]

You can't honestly believe that this single incident and postings has had any sort of real impact on an international company like FN, can you?

Please see above.

 

[hags]

If you are one which has watched this thread, in all it's various forms, and as the issue became not the gun but the reloaded ammo, you'd realize that the company reputation is just fine and has actually has been enhanced by the outcome. Even then, FN has stood behind their product after the suspected reload was ID'd as the culprit.

Mike,
I do agree that FNH USA's reputation has been enhanced by this incident.

 

[NATE42ND]

woops, thanks hags

 

[NC-Mike]

This is exactly what is keeping me from reloading...


Oh well, off to Dick's Sporting Goods to waste more money.

 

[mbott]

Hey Mike, I don't know what thread you're reading but as recently as page 8 the OOB firing issue has been raised.

So, I am one that reads and pays attention.

But this wasn't an OOB issue.

I have no dog in this and I don't have a desire for anything Five-seveN. I've had the opportunity to fire the pistol, the PS90 and the P90. Cool, but not what I'm looking for. I'll fire them again if the opportunity arises without concern. I don't believe that they have a tendency to fire OOB, either.

Oh, and I reload, too.

--
Mike

 

[hags]

Mike,

You said that the issue had not become the gun but the ammo. Yet, in a post as recent as page 8 the "gun" has become the issue.

I'm happy you reload, I wish I did. Don't have the time or inclination to do so. Hopefully you can read owner's manuals though.

 

[mbott]

You said that the issue had not become the gun but the ammo. Yet, in a post as recent as page 8 the "gun" has become the issue.

My understanding is that the final determination that both parties accept is that there was a double-charged reload. That is not a gun issue.

There were attempts during the thread to point to the gun as the issue. That has turned out not to be true in this case.

--
Mike

 

[Kosh75287]

FIRST, I'm VERY glad that your injuries weren't life threatening, nor likely to deprive you of sight or hearing. It's a credit to the firearms industry that we don't hear of more such incidents.
I DO NOT like the 5.7x28 in ANYTHING!! I'm not convinced of its utility, and I'm NOW quite skittish about shooting one. I've been warned by even very seasoned reloaders that it's cantankerous to roll on one's own. It doesn't sound like this is one of the contributing factors, but with this case, who knows?
I'm also inclined to believe that, had your weapon NOT been made by FN, your injuries would likely have been far worse.

 

[SSN Vet]

Quite the thread....

glad to hear OP is getting feeling back in his hand and had no other lasting affects to his injury.

quite the quarelsome discussion on this on....

it seems to me that one important point was brought up and then lost in the fury of the OOB argument....

that is crimp and bullet setback.....

I'm not the worlds most experienced re-loader, and have never touched on of these FNs or the ammo, but it seems to me that bullet setback could likely be the cause of the overpressure and resulting failure.

+1 to FN for taking care of you with a new gun, imo they went above and beyond and really didn't have to.

 

[badkarmaiii]

OOB Observations

First: Speedy recovery wishes!
Next: Something I've yet to see anyone point out with the FiveSeven OOB is this: Unlike most semiautos, the FiveSeven "push-feeds." To put it in rifle terms, most tilt-barrel semiautos feed like a Mauser-type rifle with the case head slipping up under the extractor once released by the magazine feedlips. The FiveSeven push-feeds like a Remington, AR-15 or many others. The round begins to enter the chamber, gets released by the feedlips and gets pushed into the chamber ahead of the bolt and not controlled by the extractor. Only once the round is fully headspaced into the chamber does the extractor "snap over" the rim. The point is this: Under actual firing conditions the 5.7x28 round is ahead of the breechface too far for the firing pin to reach until it us fully chambered. Only once it has headspaced and the extractor snaps over the rim can the firing pin reach the primer. This does not happen until the pistol in fully in battery. I tried it several times. Therefore, the "demonstrations" of OOB firing are erroneous because the pistol has to be brought fully into battery then the slide pulled OOB. This, quote simply, does not happen when actually shooting. If the round does not fully enter the chamber followed by the slide closing completely, the firing pin cannot reach the primer. The more common modified Browning mechanism can hold the case against the breechface via the extractor, which will allow the firing pin to fire the primer, if not cammed too far downward, even if OOB just enough to bypass the disconnector. One exeption I can see, but have not tested, is that a chamber obstruction would keep the round from seating fully, followed by the extractor overriding the rim, thus bringing the primer within reach of the firing pin while still slightly OOB. However, the FiveSeven's design is more brilliant than I first realized. The "slide lock" (Glock term) actually holds the barrel in its rearward position until the slide moves far enough forward to allow it to pivot upward, allowing the barrel, and the slide pushing on it, to travel the rest of the way forward into battery. Therefore, it is possible that any chamber obstuction large enough to cause a dangerous amount of unsupported cartridge case may keep things far enough OOB to not allow the hammer to hit the firing pin with enough force to fire a primer. I don't have primed cases to be able to safely test my hypothesis but maybe someone else can if they are able to comprehend my tired ramblings. Regardless, these realizations have given me an even higher respect for, and level of confidence in, the FiveSeven's design. Incidentally, another handgun I own that push-feeds is the unique HK P7M8.

Regards,
Lee Murphy

 

[Funderb]

I'm glad this FiveseveN bashing thread got turned around.

 

[servantofinari]

"FN's 5.7x28mm brass cases are covered with a special polymer coating for easier extraction on the Five-seven pistol and PS90 carbine due to the high chamber pressures and lack of case tapering."

not saying this may have been a problem, but little things can cause big problems. could the fact they have been fired done something to keep them from loading properly?

 

[TimboKhan]

How is this thread still active a year later? I mean, I don't really care one way or the other and it has remained civil to varying degrees, but isn't this dead horse being beaten by another dead horse that is holding a dead horse while sitting atop a dead horse that is lying under a horse that has been standing in the sun for too long?

The other question is, why do I keep reading this thread? Evidently, it's magical!

 

[JoeLansing]

How many 5.7's blow up? Almost none? And the one that did blow up, did so with a reload.

And from the postings about your injuries and such I'm guessing you either want a lot of sympathy, or are going for a lawsuit. Just admit it, you used the wrong powder and/or double charged it. Sorry about the injury, suck it up and be a man and learn from it..
If it really was an extremely rare explosion, and it wasn't a coincidence you were reloading, and you aren't trying to get rich from it, you have my deepest sympathy... And I have a dead horse fetish...

- Joe

 

[FIVETWOSEVEN]

It really isnt a good design for it to fire that far out of battery with a cartridge with that high pressured.

 

[Larry Ashcraft]

Let's let this one fade away.