FN selling civilian FNC
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beerslurpy
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The F2000 looks like the medicine that the 5.56 needs. Long barrel, compact overall firearm, ambidextrous, no direct impingement, no jamming and light weight. Everything the M4 brings to the table plus more muzzle velocity and more reliability. What is not to love, besides the lack of full auto.
Does the F2000 accept beta drums or will the stock/shoulder get in the way?
Does the F2000 accept beta drums or will the stock/shoulder get in the way?
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I like AR-15s, but they're like, sooo 1965. Variety is good.
While FN has a great record, I'm a little skeptical about the F2000. Most of the bullpups in service today are not known for their reliability M4 is used by Aussie SAS and airborne opposed to the AUG, and the L85 is a well known piece of garbage. While I like the idea of the bullpups there has not been any major successes in that area of firearms. I hope that the F2000 proves me wrong. But with the forward ejector and the myriad of other parts that can potentially break at the worst time, how can that be conducive to reliability. When I buy a firearm reliability comes first, and I will stick to proven conventional designs (not necessarily rifles, but designs) that have been proven. Until the F2000 is proven I will not spend $1700 on it. Upon that I can't wait for the XCR because I am an AR man that recognizes the flaws in the design of the AR, which is a good weapon but not great.
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Yeah zach I agree wholeheartedly. But I admire them for trying. If it turns out that street price isnt too bad and they are decently reliable (maxims were plenty reliable with the exact same forward eject design) I would definitely get one. If it doesnt, then nothing ventured nothing lost.
My main reliability worry (before I see one) is how to clear jams without direct access to the ejector port. I mean, if a shell jams, you are going to have to strip down the gun to get at it. Then again, if it has AK like reliability, that wont ever be an issue.
My main reliability worry (before I see one) is how to clear jams without direct access to the ejector port. I mean, if a shell jams, you are going to have to strip down the gun to get at it. Then again, if it has AK like reliability, that wont ever be an issue.
beerslurpy, the one I played with allowed direct access to the bolt & chamber area. In the pictures you can see kind of a lump on the top of the stock about where the charging handle of an AR would be. That is a hinged hatch that you can open up. That is how you clear malfunctions and also chamber check.
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Corr, what was your opinion of the gas system and the action? I assume it was some sort of gas piston. Can you give me a feel for how it worked?
Eh, just as long as they keep selling guns without that technology, I'll buy. There will be a growing market for some people and law enforcement departments who feel that 'smart' guns will benefit them. (Doesn't mean you have to buy into it also.) Why not develop something for that market?
Between the two? XCR will be the one that I get. But I'm biased. I was the first civillian outside of Robarm employees that got to shoot the XCR prototype. It is actually a very simple gun, that takes all of the features that everybody likes, and molds them into one really effective package. I was also the first person to bench test one for accuracy, and with a 14 inch barrel that had over 5,000 rounds of full auto through it, I was still right around MOA using PMC ammo, with most of the groups being three or four shots touching or almost touching, and that was without really even taking the chance to play with it. This will easily be a sub MOA gun, combined with what should turn out to be a super reliable action. The bolt and carrier impresses the heck out of me each time I see it. Big and simple. No spring loaded ejector, big lugs. Totally free floated. Monolithic upper with all the rails. FAL style charging handle w/ izzy style forward assist. Totally ambi. Really groovy bolt release.
I'm actually pretty excited about the XCR.
Now I have not shot an F2000. Only played with one at SHOT for awhile. I have not seen the gas system, well actually I stripped it, but I didn't pay attention to the gas system, as what I was really intrigued by was the shell lifter/forward ejection. FN gets major points for going out on a limb and trying something different. But that is also why I won't buy one of the first batch. I'm going to let somebody else find out if it is reliable. The bolt/lifter system looks pretty straight forward, and it seems well put together. And I would love to get one eventually as I love bullpups. But the next $1000+ rifle I get (and I'm poor, so that doesn't happen real often) is going to be an XCR. (except for the custom mega Vepr I'm building which will come out to over $1000 when I'm done, but my wife does not need to know that!)
I'm actually pretty excited about the XCR.
Now I have not shot an F2000. Only played with one at SHOT for awhile. I have not seen the gas system, well actually I stripped it, but I didn't pay attention to the gas system, as what I was really intrigued by was the shell lifter/forward ejection. FN gets major points for going out on a limb and trying something different. But that is also why I won't buy one of the first batch. I'm going to let somebody else find out if it is reliable. The bolt/lifter system looks pretty straight forward, and it seems well put together. And I would love to get one eventually as I love bullpups. But the next $1000+ rifle I get (and I'm poor, so that doesn't happen real often) is going to be an XCR. (except for the custom mega Vepr I'm building which will come out to over $1000 when I'm done, but my wife does not need to know that!)
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