FNP 9 or a Glock 19c
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AKElroy
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I would stick with the Glock, but not the "c" model. Compensaters are great for competition & they look cool, but are a poor choice on a defensive weapon. Lots of muzzle blast & flash, lost velocity, and a black front sight are all poor trade offs in a CCW. Base model is cheaper, easier to find & hits harder. 9mm really does not snap hard enough to warrant the comp anyway. Take the money saved & put it into hi viz or trijicon sights.
geronimo509
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I agree with everything that AKElroy said!!
jimk66
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Emp vsw Glock
I'm not crazy about either the FNP or the Glockl
I would recommend the SA EMP if you can find one for the following reasons:
1) Very reliable and accurate + easy to conceal and carry comfortably.
2) *** The thumb and grip safeties make it a very safe carry weapon. Especially for a first timer.
*** This feature is soooo very important.
Note: I would also suggest seariously looking at the HKP7. They are the complete package as far as handguns go IMO. $600 CDNN.
Hope this helps, and I know I'm not addressing your choices so forgive me, but I couldn't help myself. lol
JimK
I'm not crazy about either the FNP or the Glockl
I would recommend the SA EMP if you can find one for the following reasons:
1) Very reliable and accurate + easy to conceal and carry comfortably.
2) *** The thumb and grip safeties make it a very safe carry weapon. Especially for a first timer.
*** This feature is soooo very important.
Note: I would also suggest seariously looking at the HKP7. They are the complete package as far as handguns go IMO. $600 CDNN.
Hope this helps, and I know I'm not addressing your choices so forgive me, but I couldn't help myself. lol
JimK
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Dan Crocker
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Excellent reasons, but the Glock 19 has proven itself to be reliable and accurate and safe as well. If the young man in question is a safe firearms handler, then he'll do fine with a Glock, an EMP, or anything he lays hands on. As long as that finger stays off the trigger until he's ready to shoot, all is well.
Yea, I am always on all of my sons on the safety. When they comfortable with a firearm, I start preaching. They don't like it but thats not the point.
Good advice as always. He has smallish hands, and he thought the FN felt better than the 19, I need to get him to a GS and have him handle different compacts.
Good advice as always. He has smallish hands, and he thought the FN felt better than the 19, I need to get him to a GS and have him handle different compacts.
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I really like my FNP but it might not be the easiest size to concealed carry. I haven't tried it yet. If he has small hands, how about the Ruger SR9?
I've got an FNP-9M, it is a great gun. Little bit smaller than the regular FNP, but barely. I've also got a Glock 23, also a really great gun. I think if he is going to be carrying it, the 9M might be an easier choice to conceal than either the Glock or fullsize FNP, but he has to balance that with the fact that there are less holsters available for the FNPs than the Glocks.
Glock 19, but not the compensated model. Large enough that it's a fun range gun, small enough that you can carry it. At the same time it's a very reliable gun, with magazines, parts, and holsters readily available for it.
As far as a safety, a manual safety is not needed ever. Manual is a crutch for people that can't follow the four rules in particular, keeping you finger off the trigger until you're sights are on target, and you are ready to fire.
As far as a safety, a manual safety is not needed ever. Manual is a crutch for people that can't follow the four rules in particular, keeping you finger off the trigger until you're sights are on target, and you are ready to fire.
Hostile Amish
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Glock 19 w/o C definitely. If the FNP-9 came in DAO, I'd suggest that over the Glock. Personally, I carry Glock.
TheVirginian
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I like the feel of the FNP better myself. It is also a very sturdy and accurate weapon. It's a poor man's Sig P229. I'd not carry any of them though unless my job required it. They are too big to conceal. They are service weapons.
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I say just get whatever feels the best in your hand.
For some reason I think the Glock 26 (with a mag extension) is a lot more comfortable than the 19. The grip just feels better in my hand. I think all the Glock sizes feel significantly different, so try them all. And they're all about the same weight -- it's not like the subcompacts are so light they're uncomfortable at the range.
And I can't really tell the difference in recoil between compensated (ported?) and non-compensated Glocks. Obviously the ports are doing something because the muzzle velocity is lower. I would not get one just because they're more of a hassle to clean.
For some reason I think the Glock 26 (with a mag extension) is a lot more comfortable than the 19. The grip just feels better in my hand. I think all the Glock sizes feel significantly different, so try them all. And they're all about the same weight -- it's not like the subcompacts are so light they're uncomfortable at the range.
And I can't really tell the difference in recoil between compensated (ported?) and non-compensated Glocks. Obviously the ports are doing something because the muzzle velocity is lower. I would not get one just because they're more of a hassle to clean.
Leafy Cronmer
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I will throw another recommendation in for the FN. If it fits his hands then I would go for it. I have it in 9mm and its a great little gun, I'm surprised more people don't shoot them, they are very underrated.
my 21 year old brother was in the same situation, and I steered him toward the FNP-9. I personally believe the da/sa of the fnp is safer for a new shooter than the glock "safe action". His also has the safety. It is a good shooter, reliable, etc. and he likes it because its not the same as every other gun on the firing line.
Zundfolge
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Frankly the FNP is a great gun (in some ways a better gun than the Glock) but if he's going to carry it he's going to find a significantly bigger selection of carry leather and accessories for the Glock.
Can't go wrong with either. If it was me I'd take the FNP over the Glock because Glocks just don't feel "right" in my hand ... but that's about as subjective as choosing underwear (some people love their boxers ... I'm just uncomfortable with my boys stuck to my leg all day) likewise some people find Glocks to be ergonomically perfect.
Can't go wrong with either. If it was me I'd take the FNP over the Glock because Glocks just don't feel "right" in my hand ... but that's about as subjective as choosing underwear (some people love their boxers ... I'm just uncomfortable with my boys stuck to my leg all day) likewise some people find Glocks to be ergonomically perfect.
desert gator
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I would go with the Glock 19, there are few guns that I would buy over a Glock 19. To me there are the perfect size for any task and are reliable. The EMP would be cool, but you could practically buy the FNP and Glock 19 both for the price of an emp.
I think either would serve him well. If it were my money, I'd go with the Glock 19, as it's my favorite polymer service 9mm on the market, as well as one of the best on the market period as a new gun owner's first choice
As for goofy safety levers etc, none of that's needed if you do your part to insure he can safely handle his new firearm. If one doesn't utilize proper handling, a safety will only prevent a ND (ADs don't exist!) for so long. It will eventually catch up
As for goofy safety levers etc, none of that's needed if you do your part to insure he can safely handle his new firearm. If one doesn't utilize proper handling, a safety will only prevent a ND (ADs don't exist!) for so long. It will eventually catch up
md7
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AKElroy, +1. nailed it imho.
Glock - HKP7 - FN
Here's my two cents. Although I'm new to shotguns and rifles when it comes to pistols I own and have owned plenty and feel compentent enoguh to defend my family & self should the need ever arise. I've been a CCW holder for years and have owned and used BHP; 1911's various types; HKP7; Glock 19 & 30; Beretta; several revolvers including Colts, Rugers and S&W and today I carry either my Glock 19 or 30.
Someone in an earlier post said an HKP7 and I have one and really like that pistol. Only peoblem is that they aren't made any longer and mine is as close to brand spanking new in the box as possible. And the truth is that I don't want to use it despite the fact that it's the safest pistol ever due to the cocker safety, incredibbly accurate thanks to the fixed barrel and gas release system and compact, flat and easy to tuck away. But EXPENSIVE and hard to come by. So it's a cabinet queen for my son despite the fact that I like it best, go figure???
And the others mentioned are all fine guns but for everyday carry it's the G19 and/or the G30.
Either of these are small and easy to CC and accurate. Besides in most cases it's the shooter that's either accurate or inaccurate and not as much the firearm although that is not gospel.
Here's my two cents. Although I'm new to shotguns and rifles when it comes to pistols I own and have owned plenty and feel compentent enoguh to defend my family & self should the need ever arise. I've been a CCW holder for years and have owned and used BHP; 1911's various types; HKP7; Glock 19 & 30; Beretta; several revolvers including Colts, Rugers and S&W and today I carry either my Glock 19 or 30.
Someone in an earlier post said an HKP7 and I have one and really like that pistol. Only peoblem is that they aren't made any longer and mine is as close to brand spanking new in the box as possible. And the truth is that I don't want to use it despite the fact that it's the safest pistol ever due to the cocker safety, incredibbly accurate thanks to the fixed barrel and gas release system and compact, flat and easy to tuck away. But EXPENSIVE and hard to come by. So it's a cabinet queen for my son despite the fact that I like it best, go figure???
And the others mentioned are all fine guns but for everyday carry it's the G19 and/or the G30.
Either of these are small and easy to CC and accurate. Besides in most cases it's the shooter that's either accurate or inaccurate and not as much the firearm although that is not gospel.
sideways
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Depends on experience, FN is a nicer piece but the Glock is idiot proof if the young man is proficient with either why not get him a pistol he can carry a lifetime like EMP or Ultra II which is perfect for carry and is accurate enough for fun at range.FNP is very nice weapon in its class and the cost make it an excellent value, I'm just partial to 1911 platform
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