follow-up to thread about self-defence in UK

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which started here http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=113347&highlight=samengo-turner last year
Ex-officer cleared over knife in bag
By Helen Nugent

A BUSINESSMAN who says that he lost a multimillion-pound Formula One deal after being arrested by anti-terrorist police was cleared of any wrongdoing yesterday.

Nicholas Samengo-Turner was stopped as he drove past the Ministry of Defence in London by officers who found a penknife and a baton in his briefcase. The former Coldstream Guards officer said that the £40,000 prosecution had ruined the “biggest deal of my life”.

Mr Samengo-Turner said he believed that he had been victimised after going public with his concerns about the case. “What I find sinister is the umbrage taken by both police and the Crown Prosecution Service merely because I exercised my right to express my views via The Spectator and the broadsheet press.”

Earlier in the three-day trial, Southwark Crown Court was told that Mr Samengo-Turner, 50, had been flagged down because he was in “a high-risk government zone”. He said: “I was on my way to my solicitors where we had effectively agreed . . . the purchase of the [Formula One racing] team from Eddie Jordan. Then I found myself getting locked up all afternoon.”

Police officers found a penknife, which had two lockable blades, and an extendable baton similar to those used by the police. Mr Samengo-Turner, who lives near Newmarket, Suffolk, with his wife, two daughters and his wife’s parents, said he had “chucked” the baton in his case after confiscating it from his daughters. He said that he carried the penknife to help him to open letters. The baton was made illegal last year and the lockable blades are illegal without a good reason.

After six hours of deliberation, the jury acquitted Mr Samengo-Turner of possessing an offensive weapon and a “bladed article” without “good reason”.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,173-1844870,00.html
 
LAR-15 said:
They banned a baton? :confused:

I believe there are similar bans on ASP-style telescoping batons in the US. Not sure where Maryland stands on this issue, but to be honest I'd be surprised if it weren't banned here (except for use by police and security forces, of course).
 
LAR-15 said:
If there is a Fed ban I have not seen it. :confused:

No, no...maybe I mis-spoke. I think that some states (and perhaps cities) have bans on clubs, bats, batons, etc. There is no Fed ban on batons, I'm almost certain of that. I'm trying to find the MD code that explains what is considered an illegal "concealed" weapon. An ASP baton might be considered concealed in MD merely because it's design makes it easily concealable.

I do know that a friend of mine who likes sticks as defensive weapons, doesn't have one because he believes them to be illegal for civillian cary in MD. He could be wrong, but he usually isn't. :)
 
Oh heaven forbid you should carry a stick! Actually, that is one of the odd things about my beloved Arizona - you can open carry a loaded legal Class 3 assault rifle, or conceal 15 handguns, throwing axe, and shotgun, as long as you have a shall issue CCW permit, but don't get caught carrying two sticks with a short rope between them. Someone saw too many Bruce Lee movies 20 years ago, and successfully lobbied to ban the carrying of nunchucks....go figure....
 
A penknife and a baton?? Now there was a dangerous man!!:confused: Another example of English law and actions to protect the citizens??
 
The baton was made illegal last year and the lockable blades are illegal without a good reason.
And the 'good reason' for banning a baton would be?
 
Janitor, you misunderstand... you can't have a knife on your person in Britain without "good reason", not that they were made illegal without good reason.
 
And the 'good reason' for banning a baton would be?
Why obviously, because of their evil nature and amazing ability to force those who wield them to bludgeon innocent figure skaters' kneecaps...

And when in doubt, just say it's... "For the Children"... I guess that means mommy and daddy don't want me to play with sticks, or to twirl batons (those things could hurt someone on a football field, ya know?)

Better to keep a very sharp high grade steel "Letter Opener" in one's locked briefcase and your "Louisville Slugger" in a Bat Bag (w/ appropriate softball and mitt). Much easier to explain... but perhaps in some EU island nations, might still get one hooked up and charged with criminal intention, after they search through your possessions for being in “a high-risk government zone”.

Also, I imagine that oh-so many Arab/Islamic-Terrorist types hyphenate their last name... :rolleyes:
 
Janitor, you misunderstand... you can't have a knife on your person in Britain without "good reason", not that they were made illegal without good reason.
Well now. That's different then. Never mind.

Sometimes, I'm pretty sure I'm just too dumb to be trying to use this particular language. May have to switch to grunts and whistles.
 
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