For the love of pete. Fumigation was a nightmare.

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So, as I mentioned before, my house had to get fumigated for termites (or so claimed the company that inspected the house for termites, which conveniently also does fumigations :rolleyes:).

Anyways, it was my parents' house (like I've mentioned before, I moved out of my apartment to stay with the rents until I find a new place wherever I end up going to law school. It also saves some cash (a lot actually).

So, first the people pop by the house 2 days before the fumigation and I ask what they'll be using. I was worried it might be somehow corrosive. They said it was Vikane and is not corrosive to anything.

Ok. So I lock up my guns, knives, and other gear like flashlights and holsters (anything that would give away that there were guns in the house) in the safe (because I figured unless I was ridiculously sneaky - like CIA material sneaky - I wasn't going to get my gun collection into the hotel without somebody getting suspicious, and fortunately my safe looks like it could just be a clothing wardrobe except for the lock attached to it). So I locked it up, wrote down the serial numbers, and found a small closet under the stairs which locked where I put all my ammo cans (like $5,000 + worth of ammo).... done. My dad is the only one with a key to that closet, so I figured it would be a good place to store them. It has a deadbolt and all, so I liked it.

I figure I'm all set. I've got my snubby with a pocket holster and some extra ammo, one flashlight, a Spyderco knive, and some OC to take with me to the hotel (can never be too prepared).

The day of the fumigation (Monday), the folks leave for work and leave me in charge. They tell me - under no circumstances to give the fumigators keys to the house. They told me since we're staying at a hotel less than 3 minutes away, when they need to get in, they can call us. I figured this was reasonable.

The crew had me suspicious from the moment they got out of their trucks - they dressed and acted like slobs, were disgustingly dirty wearing tattered clothes, they smelled horrible (I thought I smelled alcohol on one of them), gold teeth, tons of tattoos (not that I have anything against tattoos in and of themselves, but when it's part of a general image that says, "Don't trust me." it becomes a problem). So, I was not thrilled.

Despite this, I let them in the house to set up. I'm carrying my snubby just in case and as I told you all earlier I would - I was on their butts like stuck TP.

They start setting up tear gas systems (nobody told me about the tear gas, and I wasn't sure if that was corrosive, so I was a little nervous again about the whole corrosive issue). Ran the gas lines, cracked open the windows (I assume for pressure reasons), etc.

Then they come to the locked closet where I had all of my ammo and to which I had no key. To them it looked like a door to a room I suppose. They said they need to go in. I replied, "It's a small closet with nothing much in it. It doesn't go anywhere. You don't need to go in there."

Then this:

Them: "We have to open the closet or we won't do the job."

Me: "I'm sorry, but I don't have a key, and I don't understand why this little closet is so important."

Them: "Well, this door needs to be opened now, or we're packing up and leaving."

Me: "Again, I don't have the key, and it's just a small closet."

Them: "Alright, well we're going to pack up right now unless you open this closet."

Me: "What part of 'I don't have a key' did you not understand?'"

Them: "It doesn't matter, this door needs to be opened right now."

Me: "What do you want me to do, get a chainsaw and cut it open?! I DON'T HAVE THE KEY AND IT IS JUST A CLOSET!"

Them: "I don't care what you do, the door opens or we leave."

now I lose my cool


Me: "If we break the door down, are you going to reimburse me for the damages?!" (I'm not thrilled with the idea of the door being opened at all since all of my ammo is in there and it would be a giveaway that there are guns in the house.)

Them: "No. Opening the door is your responsibility, now open the door."

Me: "Since I've already told you several times that I don't have the key, that you don't need to go in there, and since we've established that you aren't going to reimburse me for the damages if we break it down, we have a problem."

Them: "We're going to leave if you don't open this door."

Me: "Yes, I understand that. I also understand that I've explained to you many times that I can't open the door. My parents are not here, one of whom has the key, and they aren't going to be able to come over to deal with this. In addition, you have not given me one good reason why this door needs to be open, it's not airtight, so the gas would flow just fine. Run a hose under the door if you need to. However, since you seem to be insisting upon your way, which is impossible for me to comply with, I suppose you might as well pack your _____ up, and get the ____ out."

Them: "Ok." yells at the crew to start taking down the tent that was almost 100% up.

*right then my father calls* I tell him the situation. He panics. He tells me to check his safe as he might have a spare key. I didn't have the combination, so he tells it to me. I go check, and there is a huge keyring with at least 30 keys on it. I tell the guys to hold on one moment while I sit there trying each key to see if one of them opens it. Voila, my dad got lucky. I was unlucky because now they see that there is a ton of ammo boxes in there. After 1 second they tell me that I can close and lock the door, but they need the key to that closet. I replied, "I don't understand, you just made this big fuss about opening the door, and then once I open it, you say I can lock it again? What was the point of that? He tells me they were checking to make sure nobody was locked in there. (WHAT?!) So I ask, "Ok, well since you've seen there is nobody locked in there, why do you need the key?

Then it starts again. "We won't do the job unless you give us that key. You'll get it back after the fumigation is over with and we let you back into the house.

An argument ensues between me and him about that.

Finally, after yet another phone call to my father, I give him the key. Now I have to figure out what to do with the ammo. I end up loading it in my car to take to the hotel (hiding that on the way in was interesting to say the least!)

After they're ready to go, they tell me they need the key to the front door of the house. I told them that I've been given instructions not to give that key. I tell them that my family and myself will be nearby, so when they need to get in to let the gas out, we'll happily meet them at the house.

Again an argument ensues, they tell me they won't do the job unless I give them the key to the front house. I ask why they need the key. They say it's state law. I didn't believe that. If it's state law, there are some dumb lawmakers in Florida. How do I know he's not going to make a copy of the closet key and the front door key in the next 2 days that we're not allowed in the house?

He tells me it's in case somebody breaks into the house, like a burglar. They need a key so they can get them out. I reply, "If somebody is dumb enough to break into a house with a tent over it and signs posted all over warning of poisonous gas, and their intent is to rob my house, then quite frankly I couldn't care less what happens to them within the house. He argues some more.

Finally, after ANOTHER call to my father, I give him the key to the front door (which actually is the key to EVERY outside door).

Finally, after they've put the gas in the house, the first cop arrives (there were 7 LEOs involved in guarding the house).

I go to the hotel and face the task of getting the ammo cans into the hotel room. I do so, cover them up, and put a "Do not disturb" sign on the door.

For the next 2 days, because I don't trust that those door signs actually get read and/or honored, I basically just watched TV to make sure nobody came into the room to eventually either take some of my stuff, or call the PD thinking I was a terrorist.

Finally, yesterday we moved back in. I just got my computer hooked back up. It's over.

I checked my guns, there is some residue on them (maybe from the tear gas they initially used?) I guess I'll have to clean them all this weekend.

What a PITA that whole thing was.

ETA: please pardon my grammar and spelling mistakes. I'm exhausted.
 
In California, any container that could possibly hold something the size of a small child must be inspected before fumigation.

Tear gas is used to mark the presence of the fumigating gas, it also keeps adventurous people out of the building while fumigation is taking place.
 
Good Gawd.......

What a dang nightmare that was.

I do not blame you one bit for being suspicious. Its a real shame, but now days you simply do not know who is going to rip you off.

My Uncle had some work done on his house and gave the contractor a key. The contractor then gave it to a worker because he had to leave the site. The worker forgot to give it back ( on purpose ) to the boss and had a copy made that evening after work.

My Aunt And Uncle screwed up by not re-keying their doors after the contractor was finished. They trusted the contractor.

To make a long story short, two weeks after all the work was completed, he got B & E' ed and they took his entire gun collection, jewelry, and anything else that was of value and not nailed down. The cops investigation showed they simply unlocked the front door and walked in and because the house was secluded, they had all day to do their job. The worker got to know my Aunt and Uncles work schedule while doing the work on the house and knew when they left and came home.

Chris
 
Forgot to mention

You might want to consider getting all the locks they had keys to re-keyed.

Chris
 
Work such as fumigation requires a certain amount of cooperation from the homeowner. If the contractor needed full access to all interior spaces and keys, this should have been explained prior to showing up for the job. Then if they want to make up new rules on-the-fly, fire the cretins and hire professionals.
 
nothing was explained (at least not to me).

I was 100% ready to tell them to get lost and get another company. My parents were the ones who insisted it be them because it would be free (the last time they fumigated has been within the time period for their warranty and since we have termites again, they had to do it again for free). Frankly, to me that says that they might not be the best at their jobs, but that's just speculation and I'm not a fumigation expert.

Forgot to mention

You might want to consider getting all the locks they had keys to re-keyed.

Chris

I wish I could, but the main key opens just about all the doors except for the closet, which they got the key to as well. So all in all, we'd have to change every lock in the house.

Also, I forgot to mention, the day we came back, the last officer guarding the house (who I actually was acquainted with from the LGS) told me that the officer on shift before him had pursued two men who came by the house around 9 PM on the last night (Tuesday night) looking suspicious and scoping the place out. It started when he noticed them, then he approached them, they fled, and he pursued. That's all the details I got. The last officer told me, and confirmed my suspicions: he said that often with these jobs, the crew scopes out the house and then later either comes back themselves to get what they want, or gets paid to tell others what's in the house for them to come take stuff. The officer speculated that it was either 2 members of the crew, or people the crew had tipped off.

Thank G-d we had cops guarding the house. The few times I showed up, I would walk around checking things out (and usually getting the newspaper and the mail) and all of a sudden I would be greeted with a very authoritative "Can I help you sir?" - I loved it. Great job by the cops and worth every penny over getting something like Wackenhut. I didn't expect them to know who I was since it was always a different officer when I would come by.

Anyways, it's all over with thankfully.

btg3 - I agree. These guys were not professional. If we have yet another infestation, warranty or not, I'm going to tell the folks to get another company.

Thankfully by then, I'll be back out of this house and into a place of my own again. I really really miss having a place of my own. Only a few more months hopefully. :)
 
I wish I could, but the main key opens just about all the doors except for the closet, which they got the key to as well. So all in all, we'd have to change every lock in the house.

Dude, after saying this you give the perfect reason why it is so important that you do re-key everything.

Take the locks to Home Depot and have them all re-keyed, or just replace them. I'd also get a really big dog to watch the place while I'm gone. They've already scoped out your house. Being chased off once isn't likely to make them go away, they will simply wait until LE has left and the place is ripe for the picking.

Sounds like you need to bite the bullet and do it.
 
So... you had an officer there standing watch (moonlighting I suppose) 24/7 ? Sweet! If you don't mind, may I ask how much that ran you or your parents (If you know)?
 
Sato Ord - I agree with you. If it were up to me I absolutely would.

Problem is, it's not my house. It's my parents' house. I've already spoken with them about it and their answer is "We have an alarm system."

I wish I had mind control abilities, but I don't.

1) They aren't security minded. As an example, let me tell you about the gate opener in the back yard. You see, we have an electric gate. A big one. There are buttons to open it throughout the house. My father had one installed in the back yard near the pool. Why is that a problem? Simple. Let's say a crook wants to rob my house. If they are parked in front of the gate loading up stolen stuff, a neighbor will call the cops. If on the other hand they can open the gate and pull into the driveway, nobody will see them. When the intercom systems were just replaced. I again argued with my father about the issue. Even the guy who installed the intercom systems who is our security and alarm system provider agreed with me that it was a bad idea. My father insisted however, because he wants to be able to open the gate if the doorbell rings and he is in the pool.

Oh yeah, by the way, he hasn't stepped foot in the pool since the house was built in 1991.

2) They prefer to spend the least amount of money possible on the house. When the carpet was in desperate need of replacement, and they decided to replace it, it took 5 years before they actually committed to it. Why? They spent 5 years searching for the lowest price. The toilet seat in my father's office bathroom is broken. It has been broken since 1999. When the balcony door in the guest bedroom rotted through and fungus was growing on it, they decided to replace it. They did: 2 years later when it fell apart during strong winds. There are plenty more examples. They won't change the locks until they have a break-in.... and there lies the problem.
 
So... you had an officer there standing watch (moonlighting I suppose) 24/7 ? Sweet! If you don't mind, may I ask how much that ran you or your parents (If you know)?

$30 an hour. I actually did the first and last shift myself even though I'm not an officer (but I did have Officer Smith and Agent Wesson supervising me). No, I wasn't paid of course. Other than the 10 hours total or so I did, there was a PD officer there 24/7, cruiser, gun, and all.
 
.cheese.

I feel for ya, Bud. I'd move my guns to someplace safer. We had fifteen break-ins in our little neighborhood last month. Seems one of the neighbors decided that B&E was a good substitute for getting a real job: I guess the hours were better, and the pay was higher.

Anyway, even though they caught the perps most of the stolen goods weren't recovered. One thing not recovered - a big gun safe full of some very expensive firearms, including several hard to replace antiques, and a coin collection. The BGs laid down a long strip of bubble wrap, oiled it, then tipped the safe on its side and slid it to the door on a cushion of air. The owner's first clue when he walked in was the bubble wrap track way on the floor that led right to where his big, heavy, expensive safe used to be. The BG's didn't even need a hand truck to get it to the door, just an inexpensive roll of bubble wrap and a bottle of vegetable oil!

It is speculated that they then either delivered the safe unopened to someone, or cracked it at their leisure somewhere else.

Let that be a lesson to all safe owners, don't just trust the weight of the safe to keep it from being stolen, build it into the house, or at least bolt it securely to the floor.

Like I said .cheese., I'd at least find some place safe to move my guns to if I were you.
 
Why can't you just re-key the doors that offer access to the house. How many are there, two, maybe three doors to get in/out?
 
there are 12

if you count inside doors, it's an additional 4 that use a key. The rest have a different locking mechanism (push button thing)
 
He tells me it's in case somebody breaks into the house, like a burglar. They need a key so they can get them out.

How is the burglar going to get in, and then lock the door behind him? Sounds like BS to me (needing the key part). I would definitely complain to consumer protection and the BBB.
 
Wow. I'd still do it though.

Like I said, if it were up to me, I would.

PremiumSauces - I called management. They claim it is state law. I can't believe state lawmakers would have me hand over the key to my house to a bunch of strangers. They say it is so though.
 
$30 with car and everything? Not too shabby for peace of mind. (temporarily of course)

I suggest that you make a personal call to the supervisor or manager of the whole situation and infrom him/her that if they intend to operate under the guidlines of the law and ask for doors to be opened and keys made accessible to them, then it would behoove the company not to hire people that looked like crackheads or gangbangers, or that reeked of alcohol.

If you were feeling real froggy, you could have told that to the guy that was doing the job that was giving you such a hard time. "Sir, with all due respect, I just don't like the idea of handing over the keys to my family estate to someone who looks like they just got out of San Quentin."
 
Them: "We have to open the closet or we won't do the job."

They can't take the word of the homeowner that a pet or person isn't behind that door. They're insurance requires this as do most state laws and failing to do this puts them in an untenable liability position. It doesn't matter that the homeowner decides he doesn't want them to see their expensive tropical fish tank/pet room/bondage den, the courts put all the responsibility upon the "professional" performing the work.

As to handing over the front door key? That sounds odd. It wouldn't do any good to keep the homeowner from doing something stupid like entering the home during fumigation because the homeowner would have more than one set of keys. It may be so that the fumigator can both lock the house and get into the house in the event of an emergency. I can see the requirement to both secure the house and to be able to get in to make adjustments or remove undiscovered pets as a possible explanation of why the key to the house would be needed.

If you don't trust the guys who did the work and won't change the locks then move your property so that it isn't available to thieves.
 
If you don't trust the guys who did the work and won't change the locks then move your property so that it isn't available to thieves.

working on it.
 
Why do they need to put a tent on the house and keep you out for two days?

My mother in law had a pretty bad termite infestation (they were eating the paneling in her basement) ... the exterminator simply sprayed the effected areas, bombed the house (which didn't require a tent and only required her to be out of the house for a few hours) and placed stake traps in the ground around the house. Termite problem solved.


Anyway, before I handed over a single key I'd have the entire crew lined up and and I'd photograph every single one of them AND their DLs.
 
Too late now, but I think the better solution would have been to install the cheapest lockset Home Depot has on the front door, give them a key to THAT lock, then re-install the original lock after the job was done. That would have cost you maybe $15 and ten minutes of time.

Too bad they didn't explain the rules ahead of time.
 
My mother in law had a pretty bad termite infestation (they were eating the paneling in her basement) ... the exterminator simply sprayed the effected areas, bombed the house (which didn't require a tent and only required her to be out of the house for a few hours) and placed stake traps in the ground around the house. Termite problem solved.

Because there are more than one kind of termite and treatments like that have to be tailored to the type of termite. Tenting kills EVERYTHING.

That's the way it was explained to me.
 
Too late now, but I think the better solution would have been to install the cheapest lockset Home Depot has on the front door, give them a key to THAT lock, then re-install the original lock after the job was done. That would have cost you maybe $15 and ten minutes of time.

That's usin' your noodle! Best solution I've heard so far! :)
 
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