Four Armed Burglars

[Kleanbore]

Witness called police, three perps caught at the scene, no one hurt. News report here.

• Occurred on a Sunday morning
• Very nice upscale neighborhood--perps drove there
• Victims were home at the time
• Four perps
• Not a result of victims being in a "high risk business"
• Charges were for burglary, armed criminal action, and robbery; media called it a home invasion

Fortunately, a witness happened to call the police.

Nothing reported about point of entry or security precautions.

It does happen.

 

[Pilot]

Many of my friends, and work colleagues say they don't need any firearms because they live in a "nice" neighborhood, where it is "safe".

 

[heeler]

True Pilot.
There are scores of affluent people here where I work that think the home alarm and the nice neighborhood they live in makes their personal space impenetrable.
I was checking out an engineers new house three summers ago and was appalled at how easy it would be to break into the home.
Example was the front and rear doors had nice stained glass that would be nothing to break and turn the thumb operated dead bolt(code now) and just come right in.
Too scary for me.

 

[Spats McGee]

Yeah, Pilot, I hear similar things a LOT. "Good neighborhoods" get targeted, too.

 

[Skribs]

It does happen, from what I've seen in stats in another thread though, 4+ assailants is incredibly rare. Small sample, but something like 55% were 2 assailants, 25% 1 assailant, and 20% 3 assailants (rounding a bit on those) with 1% being 4+. I know that's 101%, but like I said - rounding is involved.

Personally, it's why I'm starting to carry around my home. My Dad thinks I'm paranoid when I told him, but then I think he's paranoid for carrying chamber empty/safety on.

 

[bhesler]

What I get from this story is that they were most likely followed home from a casino after winning several hundred dollars playing craps. I think most people are not nearly aware enough of the possibility of being followed, or how to break being tailed.

 

[Frank Ettin]

Many of my friends, and work colleagues say they don't need any firearms because they live in a "nice" neighborhood, where it is "safe".

What your friends, and so many like them, fail to consider is that "nice" neighborhoods tend to be populated by reasonably affluent people. And reasonably affluent people tend to have more nice, valuable stuff to steal (then people in less "nice" neighborhoods).

 

[Librarian]

What Willie Sutton actually said applies: "Go where the money is...and go there often."

 

[Skribs]

What your friends, and so many like them

...and a lot of people I've seen posting here.

Even if you live in a low-crime area, I've come to the realization that your chances of getting attacked don't really affect how much firepower you'll need if you are attacked. Even if the chances are low where you live, 0 rounds of anything is much worse than 7 rounds of .45 or 4 shells of 4B.

 

[JustinJ]

Personally i'm more concerned with the crime level of my city than my neighborhood. Obviously such a thing is possible anywhere but concerning risk potential I find this to be more important.

 

[Odd Job]

What I get from this story is that they were most likely followed home from a casino after winning several hundred dollars playing craps. I think most people are not nearly aware enough of the possibility of being followed, or how to break being tailed.

The goblins use a similar tactic in Johannesburg with tourists. A bunch of visitors with nice jewelry getting into a hire car = soft target.

 

[Deltaboy1984]

PTL they are OK and the Perps are on Jail. Prayers they get the 4th soon.

Remember what Cooper said and be on alert even on the Lord's Day.

 

[mdauben]

Many of my friends, and work colleagues say they don't need any firearms because they live in a "nice" neighborhood, where it is "safe".

I used to work with a young man from a relativly affluent family in LA. His folks lived in a nice, upscale neighborhood full of lawyers, doctors and bank preseidents. The last time he went to a Christmas party at his parent's home, his father was sitting on the front porch with a shotgun, because people had gotten mugged on the way up his driveway the last two years in a row.

 

[foghornl]

I live in a "nice, safe" area, but after my 1980 home invasion, etc I keep the GI-45 on the bedside table, and the Maverick 88 under the bed.

 

[rswartsell]

Hell, if I am going to risk this much to steal, I ain't stealing from the 'hood. I'm going where they got the good stuff.

 

[Plan2Live]

My neighbor's back door has been kicked in twice and the front door kicked in once. The front door entry was in the middle of the day in the middle of the week, assumably while everyone was at work. The house next to her (not mine) was being burglarized at 3:15pm in the afternoon on a Sunday afternoon by a group of 3. All four of these incidents were most likely unsavory characters that the homeowners associate with. Divorce, and it's financial constraints are a wonderful thing. I wish I could afford to live somewhere else.

So yes, even when I am at home, I either have a weapon on me or within easy reach except when doing the most strenuous yard work when it just isn't practical.

 

[C0untZer0]

The story seems to indicate that only two of them were armed.

Also seems that a door was either unlocked or easy to breach - since the story simply says

Once they got to the house, some went in and others stayed outside

The main thing I thought of though was, in a confrontation with armed intruders, I want a shotgun

Given the choice between shooting it out with handguns or me having a longarm (shotgun) I really want option #2.

 

[Kleanbore]

Posted by C0untZer0: Given the choice between shooting it out with handguns or me having a longarm (shotgun) I really want option #2.

I might prefer a carbine.

Thing is, one might not have a choice. Where are you, where is the long arm, and where are the intruders when they enter?

 

[dprice3844444]

12 gauge is much better,drops them in their tracks

 

[MtnCreek]

I live in a "nice, safe" area, but after my 1980 home invasion, etc I keep the GI-45 on the bedside table, and the Maverick 88 under the bed.

If you've written about it here, please post a link. I would be interested to hear more about it.
Thanks.

 

[rsbufo1966]

I might prefer a carbine.

Thing is, one might not have a choice. Where are you, where is the long arm, and where are the intruders when they enter?

^^^^this^^^^ is why I advocate carrying at all times while at home. I can get to one of several long guns, given time, and my sidearm will likely be what gives me that time...




Shoot more, talk less...

 

[X-Rap]

The lesson really needs to be, be ready, and be able to fight with what you have because that shotgun or rifle will rarely be close at hand. Surprise and overwhelming violence might be all we have and it might not be enough.

 

[JagerRanger]

Quote:
What your friends, and so many like them

...and a lot of people I've seen posting here.

I'm amazed of the number of gun owners that consider training as an example of one being a gun nut, and at the same time don't see any reason to carry a SD firearm most of the time even outdoors.

I live in a nice neighborhood. It was the LA riots that really woke me up.

 

[Leanwolf]

DPRICE3844444 - "12 gauge is much better, drops them in their tracks."

Not necessarily. There are always exceptions to the rule.

I am not disparaging shotguns for self defense, but that "always drops them in their tracks" idea is a myth.

When I lived in Los Angeles, I knew of several law enforcement shootings in which the officers used 12 gauge shotguns, # 4 buck, in which the suspect did not go down but continued to fight. Although a couple of suspects died, several survived due to being rushed to nearby hospitals, where trauma team doctors saved them ... of course at the taxpayers' expense.

I also knew a jewelry store owner in Studio City who used a 12 gauge Remington 870, with 00 buckshot, to thwart a jewelry robbery. The owner shot an armed robber who was aiming a shotgun at him at a measured 62 feet (LAPD measurement). The robber did drop his sawed off shotgun, but not only did not go down, turned and ran five blocks before he collapsed and was taken into custody by LAPD officers. He survived and ended up back in San Quentin, from where he was on parole before the attempted robbery. (His partner sped off in a stolen van and was killed the following day in a shootout in San Diego, by S.D. Sheriff's Deputies and Calif. Highway Patrol officers.)

The store owner showed me the LAPD pictures of the robber as he was being released from the jail ward of the hospital before transfer to the LAPD jail. The robber, a big man, was nude, standing and holding his genitals aside with his right hand, his left forearm held across his chest. One of the buckshot had clearly gone through his left forearm, and the other eight buckshot had hit him in the lower left abdomen.

Again, I'm not saying a shotgun is not a good self defense firearm. I am saying that it is not always the end-all-be-all.

L.W.

 

[Godsgunman]

I would say that people who use the "I'm in a nice affluent area" excuse are ignorant at best. IMO it makes you more of a target to be broken in or robbed. Criminals are bolder and less fearful nowadays. Yes, being in a nicer area may allow you to spot the "riff-raffy" looking vehicles or people as opposed to the "hood" I guess but not all criminals look like criminals. I'm not one who advocates looking over his shoulder constantly in fear but I am one who advocates being aware and prepared at all times. One should do everything possible to defend and protect oneself no matter where they live.