Foxnews Alert: Gunman on VA Tech campus

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While I understand it's a logistacs nightmare to get everything in place when something like this happens; it always seems that the police hours and hours to actually respond. It may be fear of hurting more innocents, but in this instance maybe a quick response. Of course, I've only read some of the papers and it's confusing what the response really was.

This may seem, unemotional but maybe swat response is called for in an instance like this. And I don't mean a show of force, I mean actually going in. It's kind of hard to describe in words, but I'd say waiting out the shooter(s) hasn't been working. Maybe for someone demanding something it does work, but it seams that the S.O.P.(standard operating procedure of waiting to go in isn't working.

Don't know the best solution, but unfortunately there will probably be a push to limit the legal law-abiding citizens use and/or purchase of firearms in an attempt to to stop this type of thing from happening again.

Maybe a solution would be for this country to quite trying to do everything on the cheap to the lowest bidder. Maybe do the best job and paying for it would be a good thing. Just a thought. Seems like every time I hear a pitch for anything it's, "what's the minimum to get the job done."

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Glad this wasn't an "Assult Weapon".

Flies in the face of those who want to ban semi-auto rifles. What if he used revolvers? Would Revolvers be next on the list?

George Bush will move quickly to sell us down the drain in order to get his pet project, "IRAQ" funded. Be prepared.
 
I don't know what we are going to see from this but i know that the reactions would have been the same if one of the students had been armed and this tragedy cut short.

If a student had stopped the shooter after 5 people were killed versus 32+- people because he was armed the bleeding hearts would still cry out against the armed student and would have cried for a peacful solution.

Makes no difference.



We need to play this to our advantage and use this as an example. I'm just not sure how to do it in a tactful manner.
 
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I just can't figure out how one shooter could have pulled this off
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I can't either.

The whole story isn't out yet, and probably never will be. 60+ people shot
is quite prolific for one person. Quite a large number, dontcha think.
 
I wonder if there is a terrorism angle to this? Or perhaps something in the vein of SLC.
 
abcnews DOT go DOT com poll:

There are at least 29 confirmed dead in the shooting at Virginia Tech University, making it the worst campus shooting in American history.

Do you think this incident is a reason to pass stricter gun control legislation?

No. Violent shootings are isolated incidents and it's irresponsible
to link them to gun control. ---------------------- 1,832
Yes. This shows the violence that can occur when someone
has access to handguns. ------------------------- 974
I'm not sure. I need more information. ------------- 84
Total Vote: 2,890
Not a scientific survey.
 
Josh Sugarmann and VPC celebrate.:rolleyes:

Violence Policy Center Statement on Virginia Tech Shooting, Deadliest in U.S. History
In the wake of the mass shooting today at Virginia Tech, Violence Policy Center Executive Director Josh Sugarmann issued the following statement:

"Mass shootings have come to define our nation. Today's shooting at Virginia Tech--the largest mass shooting in U.S. history--is only the latest in a continuing series over the past two decades. These tragedies are the inevitable result of the ease with which the firepower necessary to slaughter dozens of innocents can be obtained. We allow virtually anyone the means to turn almost any venue into a battlefield. In the wake of these shootings, too many routinely search for any reason for the tragedy except for the most obvious--the easy access to increasingly lethal firearms that make mass killings possible."

Prior Deadliest U.S. Shootings

The April 16 shooting on the campus of Virginia Tech where it is reported that 31 are dead and another 24 are wounded is one of the most deadly in U.S. history. The prior deadliest shootings in the United States are:

24 dead, 20 wounded
Luby's Cafeteria
Killeen, Texas
October 16, 1991

22 dead, 19 wounded
McDonald's Restaurant
San Ysidro, California
July 18, 1984

17 dead, 31 wounded
University of Texas Tower
Austin, Texas
August 1, 1966

15 dead, 23 wounded
Columbine High School
Littleton, Colorado
April 20, 1999

15 dead, 6 wounded
Edmond Post Office
Edmond, Oklahoma
August 20, 1986
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What is so sad is all sides will be dancing in the blood of the victims. You can see here on THR. I suggest everyone sit down and shut up. Let's wait for the facts to settle. There will be gracious plenty time to engage in the inevitable legislative slug-fest. Right now our concern should be the victims and their families.

Truly a tragedy.
 
The 2nd Amd. is gone. Guns will be banned like UK inside of 2 years.
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I am not sure about fatalism here. No doubt antigunners will make much of this, but it also demonstrates that all the gun control didn't really make much difference, precluding nothing yet throwing billions of dollars at supposed solutions.

The real question is why society has incidents unheard of or far more rare a generation or two back. The solution or at least desired reaction for the individual is to be free to pack a weapon when on campus. The university is not going to say that it is their responsibility to ensure student safety, certainly not to the point of actual liability.
 
http://boards.msn.com/MSNBCboards/thread.aspx?BoardID=378&ThreadID=258726&BoardsParam=Page=157

i cant even keep up on this page, i dont know if the link will work, but you can figure out where its from. 60 pages of comments have been added in the last half hour. most of them wanting to ban all guns.

i would love to sit and chat, but i have to go to class. i am unarmed because my university doesnt believe i find my own life worth protecting. i hope i get to go home.

in the mean time, i will pray for those lost today.
 
Brady yaps

Nation Again Grieves Over A Tragedy "Of Monumental Proportions"

For Immediate Release:
04-16-2007

Contact Communications:
(202) 898-0792

Blacksburg, VA – Paul Helmke, President of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, issued the following statement:

"Our thoughts and prayers go out to the families of the Virginia Tech University community, and to the families of the victims of what appears to be one of the worst mass shootings in American history.

"Details are still forthcoming about what motivated the shooter in this case to act, and how he was able to arm himself. It is well known, however, how easy it is for an individual to get powerful weapons in our country.

"Eight years ago this week, the young people in Littleton, Colorado suffered a horrible attack at Columbine High School, and almost exactly six months ago, five young people were killed at an Amish schoolhouse in Pennsylvania. Since these killings, we've done nothing as a country to end gun violence in our schools and communities. If anything, we've made it easier to access powerful weapons.

"We have now seen another horrible tragedy that will never be forgotten. It is long overdue for us to take some common-sense actions to prevent tragedies like this from continuing to occur."
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It's time for us to go on offense. If ONE person there had a CPL (Conceal Carry) and broke the school rule on carry, we might have not had this story today. ONE person.

I hope VCDL is ready. I hope NRA, GOA, and SAF are ready. I hope all the other state groups are ready. Most important, we have to be ready.

I WON'T be a sitting duck.
 
Maybe a solution would be for this country to quite trying to do everything on the cheap to the lowest bidder. Maybe do the best job and paying for it would be a good thing. Just a thought. Seems like every time I hear a pitch for anything it's, "what's the minimum to get the job done."
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True Statement!!
 
The real question is why society has incidents unheard of or far more rare a generation or two back. The solution or at least desired reaction for the individual is to be free to pack a weapon when on campus. The university is not going to say that it is their responsibility to ensure student safety, certainly not to the point of actual liability.
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Actually, there have been a number of deadly shooting sprees in the past fourty years. Remember the University of Texas shooting in 1960s by a deranged ex Marine. Mass shootings are not uncommon in the US. At least forty years ago they had enough common sense to blame the shooter for his actions and not the instrument he used to kill. The trend of shooting has grown significantly in the last twenty years. Why this is, I have no idea, but it probably a societal change.
 
this is sad beyond words

Former FBI Director Bill Gavin said if reports that the shooter chained the doors to Norris Hall are true, that is "definite proof of premeditation," as is the number of magazines and rounds of ammunition he apparently had.
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If this is true, this rabid wolf expected to be locked in with defenseless victims.
 
Let's wait for the facts to settle.
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Why? The other side won't.

There will be gracious plenty time to engage in the inevitable legislative slug-fest.
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Nope. I give it a couple of weeks, tops.

Right now our concern should be the victims and their families.
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We should be doing this FOR the victims and their families.

Or we can wait around, that way there can be more victims to grieve for later.

I just volunteered to teach, for free, CCW to any college student in Utah. It ain't much, but it is what I can do.
 
Funny that Sugarman uses the Luby's incident in Kileen as one of his list of spree shootings. seems to me THAT one would have been cut WAY short had that lady who's now a TX state legislator been legally allowed to carry her piece, which was sitting in the car when the massacre went down.
 
We should indeed be angry at those whose disarmament policies lead to incidents like this, but it won't stick. The media controls popular opinion, and through that, the political process. And the media isn't going to be on our side about this. Two years is an outside estimate, in my opinion.
 
From the VPC:

"Mass shootings have come to define our nation..."
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What? What does this even mean? I am absolutely sick to my stomach about the innocents killed at Virginia Tech, and I am also sort of trembly with impotent anger when I imagine how awful it must have been, and how frightening, and simply how tragic. This is definitely a black day.

But I take exceptional exception to the VPC saying it defines our nation. What a ridiculous, meaningless thing to say. Sigh. I guess I don't even have a point here. I'm just upset, and ticked off.
 
I am very, outrageously angry at having to choose which I fear more...the law, or the criminals.

The only place I don't carry is school.
 
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