FR-8 Questions

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One more thing, if you get a parked version, they really slopped it on there and you may have trouble with using stripper clips until you break it in well. Perhaps some light buffing of the parts will speed the process.

Capt Teach
 
Hey, C'mon guys and gals. . . if we really want to convince people not to "sporterize" milsurps, name calling isn't the way to do it. Tamara started to make some good points about the usefulness of the FR8 in "as issued" configuration, and then used the dreaded "B" word ;) . I think we can do better than that.

As for the FR8, IMHO it has a lot to offer as is. Handy size and weight combined with very nice sights in a commonly available caliber. Recoil ain't that bad and it's a good looking rifle as well. For all I know, that scout scope mount might work, but if you do decide to get an FR8, don't be afraid to try the original sights first before you put a scope on it. You never know, you might like it ;) . And as Tamara said, you can use the iron sights out to 300 yards, which is probably about as far as you'd be shooting this thing anyways.

BTW, doesn't Savage make a scout-type rifle? It'd be easier to find one and also easier to accessorize it to your specs. . .:D

(Okay, I admit it, I've been lookin' for a nice FR8 for a few months now and don't want the competition. . .:rolleyes: )
 
Okay, fellas, enough with the winking already. ;)

If you're ever gonna shoot at the San Gabriel Valley Gun Club, you can try mine:

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The iron sight isn't too bad on the FR8. I unscrewed the front post about 5 turns. Now the lowest peep setting is zeroed at 100 yards. The notch setting is even lower, so it's no longer useful, but I didn't like the notch anyway.

How would a scope mount work? There's no barrel-mounted rear sight base to put a scout mount on, and the aperture wheel mount at the rear would be in the way of a scope. Do you just grind off the rear sight then drill&tap the receiver like a "normal" M98?

Regards.
 
This is from the link i posted....

"The rear sight has a dial selector that allows for the choice of apertures for 200, 300 and 400 meters as well as an open “V†notch for 100m. Interestingly, the choice of which distance aperture to use does not change the diameter of the hole, rather it moves the hole either up or down according to distance. Starting with the sight at the “V†notch (100m) position, turning the sight counterclockwise one notch goes to the 200m aperture, turn it again counterclockwise and you go to the 300m aperture. If you turn the sight back to the “V†notch and then turn it clockwise, you get to the 400m apertures"

HTH...

chris~
 
Here's my two cents worth:

I passed on a lot of these when they were more commonly found because I just didn't know what they were. Now that I do know, you never see them, except for that gunshow dealer that always wants twice normal retail price.

FR-8's have a great following... Rather than alter a collectable rifle, you could sell it to a collector that's looking for one. If you put it up on an auction sight, I can guarantee it'd be gone in a week... Then you could use the money to fund your scout project and start from scratch. You get to pick the internals, you get to pick the stock, and the barrel etc.

That way, you'd wind up with a scout that meets your own wants and needs, not something that wasn't meant to be a scout, or somebody else's idea of what a scout should be... Plus, you get a brand new rifle, rather than a used one.
 
I love my Mauser 98 in 308.. It's a good partner for my M1A..

I think however, the Mauser will stay a Mauser... it will have a plain Jane wooden stock, and I'll probably get mojo sights for it later..

I'm with Tamara on this one..
 
Rather than alter a collectable rifle, you could sell it to a collector that's looking for one. If you put it up on an auction sight, I can guarantee it'd be gone in a week... Then you could use the money to fund your scout project and start from scratch. You get to pick the internals, you get to pick the stock, and the barrel etc.
Certainly, that's one way to go.
Starting with the sight at the “V†notch (100m) position, turning the sight counterclockwise one notch goes to the 200m aperture, turn it again counterclockwise and you go to the 300m aperture. If you turn the sight back to the “V†notch and then turn it clockwise, you get to the 400m apertures
Interestingly enough, on one of my FR-8's this is correct. On the other, it's exactly opposite, i.e. the single 400m aperture is counterclockwise from the "V," and 200m and 300m are clockwise. Go figure.

Scott
 
Interestingly enough, on one of my FR-8's this is correct. On the other, it's exactly opposite, i.e. the single 400m aperture is counterclockwise from the "V," and 200m and 300m are clockwise. Go figure.

Did you check to see if one sight disk is in backwards? Each aperture should be counterbored on the side away from the shooter. I think that it's possible to take them apart and put the disk in backwards - although I've not tried to do so. ;)

I really like the FR8.
 
Did you check to see if one sight disk is in backwards?
But, wouldn't that make the bullets hit behind me?

I'll have to look closer at the rear sight. The screw has that fragile, easy-to-bugger-up look, so I always avoided taking it apart.

Scott
 
Watch taking that screw out. There is a tiny ball bearing in there that is the detent to hold the disc in place at each setting. The disc is held in place on the sight by what I can only describe as a rivet. Its a pin that is peened in place, at least mine was. My buddy and I parkerized our FR8's. He's still trying to find that ball bearing. :)
I had to restake the pin that holds the disc in mine to get it to stay when I put it back together.
This is a pic I got somewhere off the web on the rear sight and its aperture settings:

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For all of you that think that Skunk is "Bubba-izing" his gun, please feel free to start a thread with a list of "approved" modifications that you'd be ok with, as well as "un-approved" mods that qualify as "Bubba." Enjoy your discussion of historic guns over there. Over here Skunk is trying to figure out if that particular mount works on that particular gun.

I'm embarrassed by the responses he's gotten. I'm glad he's not a new member, he'd think you all were a bunch of snobs.

Remember,tacticallity is in the mind,not the hands.
Huh? What does that have to do with his question?

If you know how to shoot, five rounds will work just fine. If your marksmanship is not good, ten won't be enough.
Five rounds doesn't work on six targets.:rolleyes: Otherwise, the military might just issue 5 round mags. Personally, I like the "5 round mag is handier" arguement, but the "no one these days knows how to shoot" arguement doesn't hold water with me.

If you just have to Bubba-ize a gun, don't lift your leg on a piece of history, go buy a Remington Model 7 or a Lightweight Ruger or something...
Please post a list of "approved" models of guns that can be modified with out the name calling. A more productive way to approach this would be to suggest that he buy an example that's already been modified.

What's the big deal? It's a military rifle and thousands were made. You gonna freak out when someone wants to modify a CETME, AR, or Garand? The only thing different about the FR8 is that it's old. So if you want one that you can admire in original condition, buy one and hang it on the wall (or put it in the back of the safe and forget about it). The rest of us will use them as platforms for affordable, practical guns with modern features, finishes, and improvements. Personally, I think we should start a High Road museum. I'd be willing to donate to that. And visit, too.
 
I like sporterized surpluse rifles. I didn't realize that the weird spanish rifle was such a historically important arm. Not sure if I would sporterize one of them myself... but an old Ishy I don't feel bad about.
 
TechBrute:

Skunky, from his writings here and his website seems like a sharp fellow. It is his name on the receipt and, this being America, he can do with his FR8as he pleases: even clean, lube and protect it with WD-40 (cue screams of horror, gnashing of teeth, and obligatory "WD-40 is not a lubricant, its a water-displacer!" howl.).

I think that some of these folks are, too, entitled to their $0.02, when they advise Skunky that there may be a better/different solution to his query. Heck, if he or anybody else goes ahead & cuts up their FR8, it will only raise the value of mine by a bit.

Here's kind how I see the issue:

"Custom-ized" Commercial Rifle
Generally speaking, add-ons & gimgaws don't reduce the value. Turn your Remington Model 7 into a repository of half of Brownells' catalog of rifle doo-dads (Harris bipods, cobra slings & mounts, funky "see-through" scope bases, etc) and you still have, at its heart, a Remington Model 7 and its basic functionality.

Commercial Custom Rifle
Give your rifle to a good gunsmith for some quality custom work and you generally won't destroy its value. You might, if lucky, increase its value by 1/2 of what you expend on it. (IMO, the best way to get a custom sporting rifle is to buy it after the owner who comissioned the work tires of it and moves on to the next toy.) Anyway, the value of the rifle is not poured down the drain.

"Sporterized" Military Surplus Rifle
There were some good examples of these made, before & after WW1. They were made by good smiths who, in many cases, did not have a really good bolt-action commercial rifle to start with.

Unfortunately, most sporterized milsurps today consist of hacking the stock back and attacking the metal with a dremel. Well-executed they are not. This is what many refer to as a "Bubba" rifle. The fact that stock work and metal work has been done (poorly) is not really the issue. What IS the issue is that "Bubba" just destroyed the monetary value of his rifle. In the case of a FR8, turning a rifle worth ~$350 as-is into a sub-$100 beater by destroying its collector value. Throw in $100 of add-on hardware (cheap scope & mount, maybe) and one has just managed to sink $450 into a rifle now worth $100. For that kind of cheese I can find a decent used commercial rifle at a gun shop and some hardware and still have somethnig worth close to what I paid for it.

Then there is the uniqueness and collector value of the FR8. It is truly a wacky weapon without any mods. The Spaniards musta been imbibing too many spirits, 'cause the FR8 is what you get when you cross an H&K G3 or a CETME with a Mauser bolt-gun. (H&K+Mauser+Intoxicants=FR8) Also, the FR8 may not fit J Cooper's definition of "scout rifle," but it is really close, being a really handy carbine-length 7.62NATO-chambered weapon with fine aperture sighting equipment. And it is nicer to shoot than the Enfield No. 5 Jungle Carbine, IMO.
 
The way I see it, the FR8 is a bubba-ized rifle to begin with...like a Mauser and a CETME had a little too much to drink after a Rammstein concert and this is what came out 9 months later.

The Enfield jungle carbine is an option, too. Isn't that in .308?
 
Skunk, we need to sit down on a day at the range...

You, me, and the contents of several G-98 safes.

The Enfield jungle carbine is an option, too. Isn't that in .308?

The real Lee-Enfield No5Mk1 Jungle Carbine was chambered in .303 British. Like this one, made at BSA-Shirley in 1945:

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There were no British-issue No5Mk1 Jungle Carbines in .308.

Gibbs, aka "Fibbs", took a bunch of .308 NoIMkIII Lee-Enfields, made by the Indians at their Ishapore Arsenal, and cut them down to make an ersatz Jungle Carbine in .308. Fibbs called this their replica of the earlier prototype Australian No. 7 carbine. From Fibbs' website (note the really short sight radius):

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If you have to choose between the FR8 and the Isshy SMLE Jungle guns, take the FR8 and run VERY fast. The FR8 is head and shoulders above the SMLE, especially in .308. I had one of the Ishhys and it was nothing but trouble although it did shoot OK as a single shot, but then you still couldnt reload the brass. Even with lots of aggravation and work I never did get it to work right. The FR8 as it comes works great, straight bolt and funky looks included. You will learn to like that straight bolt, so dont turn it down(my buddy did and still regrets it) and if you know and understand how HK sights work, especially the notch setting, you will have no trouble at all. If you want to go the scout route, I would recommend the Savage Scout if you can find one, they shoot great and are all set up for what you want, including back up iron sights. All you need do is add a scope and third swivel point for a Ching sling and your in business. They shoot like a bitch too. :) By the time your done buying and hacking on the surplus gun in time, parts, and money, you will probably have spent more and got less.
 
jfruser: The whole argument about "destroying the monetary value" of a rifle presupposes you are going to sell it someday. Most people I know who customize a rifle aren't concerned about selling it. The only rifle I sold, I regret to this day, so I'm not too worried about selling it.

Gewehr98: That has to be the nicest No 5 I've ever seen. Yours? Did you refinish the stock yourself? Very nice looking rifle.

AK103K: I don't know how anyone can love a straight-bolt. I sure don't. Instead of bending down mine, though, I just replaced it with a bent bolt from a 98K, after checking the headspace.

Actually, I'm thinking about selling my FR-8, and building my custom rifle from scratch, as was suggested earlier. Let's see...Short barrel for ease of handling, about 18-19 inches...I want a Mauser-style action for controlled feed and reliablility...I want to use stripper clips for ease of reloading, so I need a clip guide...I'll need rugged fixed sights for a backup to the scope, preferably adjustable for different ranges...Oh, and a flash-hider would look really cool, too. UH OH!

Scott
 
Beetle and I got together w/ Skunky last weekend so he could try out my FR8. He also got to try out a Garand, Enfield No. 4 Mk. II, and a Finn M39, but all the MBR's were a bit too hefty for Skunk. I think he was really enamored of the FR8's handiness, and he shot it pretty well, too. Recoil was only a problem for him off the bench.

Skunk, post a pic if you do end up buying one, eh? :)
 
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