France Makes Push to Collect Heirloom Weapons

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I'll bet compliance will be low. The general rule in Europe is the farther south and east you go, the more the distrust of government. The French have always been known to have an ornery streak.

After seeing how compliant the general population was dealing with covid restrictions, the powers that be a moving fast with new gun control and environmental regulations
 
After seeing how compliant the general population was dealing with covid restrictions, the powers that be a moving fast with new gun control and environmental regulations
Not comparable. Covid was something entirely new, and we didn't know how to deal with it. (I for one was more than happy to get vaccinated.) The gun issue has been around for decades.
 
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This is true. I was in France for the 75th anniversary of D-Day. There is still a definite memory of the occupation and a gratefulness for liberation. I saw American and British flags everywhere-and not just on tourist shops and hotels trying to lure in visitors to spend their money, but on homes and businesses. (One example was a steel building off the highway that housed a construction company.)

At Point du Hoc, I saw elementary-aged kids approach a vet in a wheelchair and thank him for saving their country. (Possible that adults put them up to it, bet still, someone remembers.) His response to the kids was "take care of our graves when we're gone."

In Bayeux, the names of every person from that town taken by the Nazis to concentration camps are inscribed in stone on the church walls.

But gun control has been a part of France and of Europe for a long time. I often saw anti-gun propaganda posters in Paris and in Luxembourg. I suspect that, as the elders pass on, the younger generations will not be so inclined to hang onto their grandparents' illegal guns. (I suspect that this is true of the United States as well.) My impression is that there is a general feeling of "That could never happen again."

I bicycle toured the Normandy coast in June 2018. I was surprised how much, 74 yrs. after D Day, they love Americans and hate Germans. They must have been very poorly treated by their German occupiers.
 
I bicycle toured the Normandy coast in June 2018. I was surprised how much, 74 yrs. after D Day, they love Americans and hate Germans. They must have been very poorly treated by their German occupiers.

THEY WERE. And while we're on that note, I have some friends who live in England. The British do't particularly like the Germans still, either. In fact, I'd argue that the mere creation of the E.U. is a testament to the human capacity for forgiveness and reconciliation.

But my concern is that there is a growing consensus that "it could never happen again" (or "it could never happen here"), and that mindset will set up the exact conditions in which it could happen again (or here).
 
Willing to bet a functional Panzerfaust would do a BMP pretty well.

I would be shocked if any of that type of 1944 materiel was still functional. The guns themselves are probably serviceable, but to think that AT ammo is still functional after 80 years? Heck, I shot some 30-30 ammo from the 1950s and was seeing at least a 10% failure rate.
 
I get my news from leftwing and rightwing news sites. I will literally cycle through them all to get a full picture.

What I have been seeing from the left is a plan to ban guns by "reinterpreting" the 2nd Amendment via SCOTUS. They can bypass Congress and having to admend the Constitution by just using the high courts. That is their plain.
 
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I'm sure there's a good many there just
like here in America
They haven't had the kind of hardships
and adversity and sacrifice that people
like my parents did during the great
depression and WWII soon after with
the rationing and all.
Not many these days have done without
a meal for a day ( or two) because there
was nothing to eat or no way to get
anything. Most people in 2022 are
pretty complacent and apathetic because
we've had times of plenty because our
families before us did the suffering
 
I get my news from leftwing and rightwing news sites. I will literally cycle through them all to get a full picture.

What I have been seeing from the left is a plan to ban guns by "reinterpreting" the 2nd Amendment via SCOTUS. They can bypass Congress and having to admend the Constitution by just using the high courts. That is their plain.
Hard to imagine that working now that Breuer is the law of the land.
 
"Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety".... Ben Franklin
like everyone who let themselves be locked down when non elected officials decreed 4-5 major human rights( travel, trade, worship, work etc) and the constitution could be over written in 24 hours without even a vote being cast.

Gun laws are the least of anyones problems. They wont even bother coming for them anymore because they know no one will use them.

When the time comes and they say get up on the truck ( or stay inside your house, again), folks will.
 
Remember , it was only because of a couple of Senators standing firm that the Dems. weren't able to pack the Supreme court . That would of ended the 2nd Amendment as we know it .
 
I would be shocked if any of that type of 1944 materiel was still functional. The guns themselves are probably serviceable, but to think that AT ammo is still functional after 80 years? Heck, I shot some 30-30 ammo from the 1950s and was seeing at least a 10% failure rate.
But that also means there were 90% that did work. The 50's weren't that long after WWII, so maybe 80% might work from that era.

Large enough percentage that I'm not brave enough to stand in front and say it can't hurt me.
 
What I have been seeing from the left is a plan to ban guns by "reinterpreting" the 2nd Amendment via SCOTUS.


....and the overturning of Row vs Wade is a prime example of how fragile current "interpretations" are. The January 6th attack on the Capital is also a prime example of how easy and quickly a coup could charge our whole system of Democracy. Folks need to realize, if they don't stand up and make how they feel heard, that others don't listen.
 
Sure, some people may still vote for pro-gun candidates,
like everyone who let themselves be locked down when non elected officials decreed 4-5 major human rights( travel, trade, worship, work etc) and the constitution could be over written in 24 hours without even a vote being cast.

Gun laws are the least of anyones problems. They wont even bother coming for them anymore because they know no one will use them.

When the time comes and they say get up on the truck ( or stay inside your house, again), folks will.
^^^ This right here.

People aren't going to do jack squat.

I wish there was some hope of push back, but I'm not seeing it. I'd like to see some meaningful sign that ANYONE in any meaningful numbers is going to push back on ANY globalist thing that's being foisted on this country and others. Instead, people just complain and take it, maybe go out and hold up a protest sign or chant slogans for a few hours. Look how easily and quickly Canada was turned into a dictatorship. Not even a whimper from the people, really. Truck drivers protest and the government makes a mouse click and confiscates their bank accounts??? We're next.

The only countries that push back harder are the ones who have already lived in some of the conditions that they are trying to establish (or re-establish in those cases). Americans are waay too soft and way to confident that this great nation can't be brought down to the level of the rest of the world. Those who believe that are wrong, though, and the whole country is about to "f... around and find out," as they say.
 
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... The January 6th attack on the Capital is also a prime example of how easy and quickly a coup could charge our whole system of Democracy.
Are you serious right there? You mean when a bunch of grandmas and pawpaws walked through the capital doors held open by the capitol police, started taking pictures and milling around? THAT is likely to bring down the corrupt deep state and change our whole system of "Democracy" (puke)? It didn't change anything and isn't going to change anything. They just used it for cover to take more power and make examples of those who dared to engage in peaceful protest against said deep state.
 
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....and the overturning of Row vs Wade is a prime example of how fragile current "interpretations" are. The January 6th attack on the Capital is also a prime example of how easy and quickly a coup could charge our whole system of Democracy. Folks need to realize, if they don't stand up and make how they feel heard, that others don't listen.

As an “observant outsider,” who really can’t stand either Trump or Biden, I don’t see the Jan 6 events as anything but a riot. There was as far as I can tell, zero existential threat to the US govt. there. There could have been a threat if politically, the election results weren’t officially accepted, or if the president in his capacity as CinC had ordered troops to lock down the building to prevent “illegal and seditious” election fraud, or somesuch…. Those actions might have provoked constitutional crisis or civil war. But a mob with manifestly no legal authority sweeping into a government building might cause chaos, but no coup.
 
Not comparable. Covid was something entirely new, and we didn't know how to deal with it. (I for one was more than happy to get vaccinated.) The gun issue has been around for decades.

It was absolutely the same thing - just taken to the next level. After decades of “conditioning”, it’s easier to make people submit. While I will agree that in the early days there was a lot of uncertainty, when the fog lifted the Government refused to relinquish control and the majority of people mindlessly went along with it. Every time we cede any of our rights - even for “good” reasons - we make it easier for the next bit of overreach.
 
Sure, some people may still vote for pro-gun candidates,

^^^ This right here.

People aren't going to do jack squat.

I wish there was some hope of push back, but I'm not seeing it. I'd like to see some meaningful sign that ANYONE in any meaningful numbers is going to push back on ANY globalist thing that's being foisted on this country and others. Instead, people just complain and take it, maybe go out and hold up a protest sign or chant slogans for a few hours. Look how easily and quickly Canada was turned into a dictatorship. Not even a whimper from the people, really.

The only countries that push back harder are the ones who have already lived in some of the conditions that they are trying to establish (or re-establish in those cases). Americans are waay too soft and way to confident that this great nation can't be brought down to the level of the rest of the world. Those who believe that are wrong, though, and are about to f*@# around and find out, as they say.
Agreed. Many states even imposed curfews and grown men and women couldn't leave their homes without showing "papers" to prove they were "essential workers." I wasn't surprised by one half the country freely giving up their rights and livelihood for an extended period of time in exchange for security and safety. What surprised and disappointed me was the sheer number of both gun owners and Republicans HAPPILY followed suit. The blueprint is fear and fear mongering, and "the greater good" paradigm.

When the time comes, and it will come sooner than we think, the government will make examples out of the minority of gun owners who put up resistance, and the rest will go along to get along while only complaining about it online and to like minded people.

We seen this with the 94 AWB, Hurricane Katrina, and in all the states that banned magazines greater than 10 rounds, "assault weapons," bumpstocks, and in CA where the most popular firearms that are sold in the rest of the country are banned for sale in the state. The law abiding will begrudgingly follow the law. They usually have something to lose (car, house, job, freedom, family), so they aren't going to risk it all standing up for their and other Americans' constitutional rights.
 
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