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I think this says a lot about our struggle for the 2A and RKBA!!!

From Fred On Everything (http://www.fredoneverything.net/DemocracyText.shtml):

Faking It

A Brief Textbook Of American Democracy

Monday, January 19, 2004

While the United States is freer and more democratic than many countries, it is not, I think, either as free or as democratic as we are expected to believe, and becomes rapidly less so. Indeed we seem to be specialists in maintaining the appearance without having the substance. Regarding the techniques of which, a few thoughts:

(1) Free speech does not exist in America. We all know what we can’t say and about whom we can’t say it.

(2) A democracy run by two barely distinguishable parties is not in fact a democracy.

A parliamentary democracy allows expression of a range of points of view: A ecological candidate may be elected, along with a communist, a racial-separatist, and a libertarian. These will make sure their ideas are at least heard. By contrast, the two-party system prevents expression of any ideas the two parties agree to suppress. How much open discussion do you hear during presidential elections of, for example, race, immigration, abortion, gun control, and the continuing abolition of Christianity? These are the issues most important to most people, yet are quashed.

The elections do however allow do allow the public a sense of participation while having the political importance of the Superbowl.

(3) Large jurisdictions discourage autonomy. If, say, educational policy were set in small jurisdictions, such as towns or counties, you could buttonhole the mayor and have a reasonable prospect of influencing your children’s schools. If policy is set at the level of the state, then to change it you have to quit your job, marshal a vast campaign costing a fortune, and organize committees in dozens of towns. It isn’t practical. In America, local jurisdictions set taxes on real estate and determine parking policy. Everything of importance is decided remotely.

(4) Huge unresponsive bureaucracies somewhere else serve as political flywheels, insulating elected officials from the whims of the populace. Try calling the Department of Education from Wyoming. Its employees are anonymous, salaried, unaccountable, can’t be fired, and don’t care about you. Many more of them than you might believe are affirmative-action hires and probably can’t spell Wyoming. You cannot influence them in the slightest. Yet they influence you.

(5) For our increasingly centralized and arbitrary government, the elimination of potentially competitive centers of power has been, and is, crucial. This is one reason for the aforementioned defanging of the churches: The faithful recognize a power above that of the state, which they might choose to obey instead of Washington. The Catholic Church in particular, with its inherent organization, was once powerful. It has been brought to heel.

Similarly the elimination of states’ rights, now practically complete, put paid to another potential source of opposition. Industry, in the days of J. P. Morgan politically potent, has been tamed by regulation and federal contracts. The military in the United States has never been politically active. The government becomes the only game available.

(6) Paradoxically, increasing the power of groups who cannot threaten the government strengthens the government: They serve as counterbalances to those who might challenge the central authority. For example, the white and male-dominated culture of the United States, while not embodied in an identifiable organization, for some time remained strong. The encouragement of dissension by empowerment of blacks, feminists, and homosexuals, and the importing of inassimilable minorities, weakens what was once the cultural mainstream.

(7) The apparent government isn’t the real government. The real power in America resides in what George Will once called the “permanent political class,†of which the formal government is a subset. It consists of the professoriate, journalists, politicians, revolving appointees, high-level bureaucrats and so on who slosh in and out of formal power. Most are unelected, believe the same things, and share a lack of respect for views other than their own.

It is they, to continue the example of education, who write the textbooks your children use, determine how history will be rewritten, and set academic standards—all without the least regard for you. You can do nothing about it.

(8) The US government consists of five branches which are, in rough order of importance, the Supreme Court, the media, the presidency, the bureaucracy, and Congress.

The function of the Supreme Court, which is both unanswerable and unaccountable, is to impose things that the congress fears to touch. That is, it establishes programs desired by the ruling political class which could not possibly be democratically enacted. While formally a judicial organ, the Court is in reality our Ministry of Culture and Morals. It determines policy regarding racial integration, abortion, pornography, immigration, the practice of religion, which groups receive special privilege, and what forms of speech shall be punished.

(9) The media have two governmental purposes. The first is to prevent discussion and, to the extent possible, knowledge of taboo subjects. The second is to inculcate by endless indirection the values and beliefs of the permanent political class. Thus for example racial atrocities committed by whites against blacks are widely reported, while those committed by blacks against whites are concealed. Most people know this at least dimly. Few know the degree of management of information.

(10) Control of television conveys control of the society. It is magic. This is such a truism that we do not always see how true it is. The box is ubiquitous and inescapable. It babbles at us in bars and restaurants, in living rooms and on long flights. It is the national babysitter. For hours a day most Americans watch it.

Perhaps the key to cultural control is that people can’t not watch a screen. It is probably true that stupid people would not watch intelligent television, but it is certainly true that intelligent people will watch stupid television. Any television, it seems, is preferable to no television. As people read less, the lobotomy box acquires semi-exclusive rights to their minds.

Television doesn’t tell people what to do. It shows them. People can resist admonition. But if they see something happening over and over, month after month, if they see the same values approvingly portrayed, they will adopt both behavior and values. It takes years, but it works. To be sure it works, we put our children in front of the screen from infancy.

(11) Finally, people do not want freedom. They want comfort, two hundred channels on the cable, sex, drugs, rock-and-roll, an easy job and an SUV. No country with really elaborate home-theater has ever risen in revolt. An awful lot of people secretly like being told what to do. We would probably be happier with a king.
 
Pretty cynical treatise, but unfortunately, mostly true. The Herd largely fits his description, but what about people like us? As a group, we THR folks seem pretty erudite, aware, of diverse (well, somewhat diverse:D ) social/political persuasions, and passionate on certain common issues, of which RKBA and gun control are the touchstone. I do not feel completely disenfranchised, but I do recognize that my one vote makes little difference. That's why I think it's important to speak out loudly and clearly about issues in the hope that at least a few sheep will join up.

TC
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The Catholic Church in particular, with its inherent organization, was once powerful. It has been brought to heel.

True. Most of the astonishingly unconstitutional judicial legislating on the Establishment Clause had it's origins in anti-Catholic bigotry on the Supreme Court.

The Church still has a great deal of influence. In a lot of jurisdictions, parents will still pony up 7-10K in tuition to send their kids to Catholic schools to avoid the mind numbingly bad public schools.

The Catholic Church has done a lot to diminish themselves in the US through the pedophile scandals.

(10) Control of television conveys control of the society. It is magic. This is such a truism that we do not always see how true it is. The box is ubiquitous and inescapable. It babbles at us in bars and restaurants, in living rooms and on long flights. It is the national babysitter. For hours a day most Americans watch it.

Much less true than in years past as the Internet takes over. Neilson has shown a marked decrease in t.v. viewership in recent years as young males in particular have practically abandoned the tube in large numbers. They are getting their news now from; in order: friends, talk radio, the Internet, and late-night comedy shows.
 
(1) Free speech does not exist in America. We all know what we can’t say and about whom we can’t say it.
D'Tocqueville noted something similar about ~150 years ago. Americans always have focused strong peer pressure on shaming into silence views we don't like. But I don't think that qualifies as a violation of free speech -- there are no government actions involved, but rather just public disapproval.

It's a pretty common mistake to confuse freedom of speech with freedom from disapproval, criticism and judgment for your speech. Fred seems to be making that mistake here.
 
Similarly the elimination of states’ rights, now practically complete, put paid to another potential source of opposition.

Except when it comes to 2A rights. Ask anyone in MD, CA, NJ, MA, NY, etc.


Anything else, I agree....
 
Finally, people do not want freedom. They want comfort, two hundred channels on the cable, sex, drugs, rock-and-roll, an easy job and an SUV. No country with really elaborate home-theater has ever risen in revolt. An awful lot of people secretly like being told what to do. We would probably be happier with a king.

Sad to say, he may well be right.
 
Very erudite observation of the present "American Condition". It hurts to read it though. One would rather not believe how close this comes to the actuality of "today".

Dischord's observation is right on the mark......but what about the McCain-Feingold Act? It actually does stultify free speech in the very arena that it should be the most free....the political.

Leatherneck: There are probably a few million that are passionate about how one can be free as we envision freedom; within some parameters so as to avoid anarchy or chaos, but to essentially be able to come and go peacefully. Numbers are getting to be fewer; witness the hunters who don't understand the value and meaning of the 2A. I think a few on this board subscribe to anarchy (I think) because they don't think they need an orderly "society". The reality of anarchy is not what most folks think,however. It would be a harsh existance. Your bug out bag would get empty pretty fast. What are you going to do for the rest of your life when it is empty? The idea of a society of laws rather than of men was ingenius and leveled the playing field of opportunity. It has been corrupted into a belief that we are better served by men than laws. Sad. If this continues America would cease to exist and would be overun by whatever organized power happens to be ascendant. The concept of a Constitution within which we conformed, but could change, but only within that conformity was greatest single human historical accomplishment to date. Too bad it has been corrupted by the belief that the Constitution is only an historical document or a living document to be interpreted willy nilly to cause it to conform to the thought of the day. And this is considered to be progressive thought? Rather it is lunacy and arrogance in the face of historical reality!

The hard reality is that in order to reverse the course we are upon means that most of us, if we took the steps to do what is necessary, would not live to see the result. It would take more than one generation, I think. That takes commitment, to embark on something that one will not see the result of. We would need to become active at the low levels of government; townships, towns, villages, local school boards and then counties, then states and state school boards and finally at the federal level. It would entail starting up newsletters, newspapers, radio programs, wider use of computers to counter the statist propaganda and entrenched status quo that is outlined in the Preacherman's post. Change starts at the top and is mostly never progress. Progress, on the other hand, always starts at the bottom and may mean change. It may also mean reinforcement, retrenchment and rededication to sorting out the wheat from the chaff with regard to public opinion and direction. Change without progress is uneccessary and mostly not good. How do you motivate the millions of people it would take throughout our country to be able to start that movement? I wish I knew.

I don't think that there is a will to seek progress. I think America will slowly but surely continue to become more coarse and continue to decline. That decline is exacerbated by asendancy of mass communication and the reliance on it. The news reports today said that most young people get their political information from Saturday Night Live and the Daily Show!! The coarseness may have always been there, we just didn't know it as our vision did not extend much farther than the neighborhood 50 years ago. Then came radio, movies, tv and the computer. If American continues to decline, does not turn the corner, the vacuum will be filled, though. I think it will be the giant economic engine of China and the rest of the Third World. I think I will be grateful to be dead and gone when that happens as I think it will be a very nasty place indeed. Just sit back for a few minutes and reflect upon a combination of radical Islamic religious absolutism that deifies murderers, tribalism, factionalism combined with a counterbalance of a Statist/quasi Communist economic engine in China.

I have tried to become involved in my community. But I have found that there are not enough other people willing to be able to do anything other than change a few small rules. In the end you get gobbled up by the apathetic status quo and become marginalized.

The lesson of history has always been if you do not remember the past and learn from it, you will be condemned to repeat it. Our society is working overtime to ignore history or to deny it in order to promote some idealistic politicaly correct fantasy. There is nothing new under the sun, human nature is predictable and transparant; we seek freedom and then abrogate it for comfort and safety; we believe the lies and then entropy takes it toll.

Pax Americana R.I.P. I fear.

grampster
 
Dischord's observation is right on the mark......but what about the McCain-Feingold Act? It actually does stultify free speech in the very arena that it should be the most free....the political.
I agree that Fred would have done better to bring that up as an example of suppressed free speech. :)
 
Good post.


I too am growing cynical about the sheeple, and not just my city or state, but my country. I dont see the United States of America lasting longer than 50 years.

I dont see independence, self-reliance, and intelligent independent thought being virtues for very much longer. In some places (and certain independent thoughts on certain topics) it is all ready suppressed by society, but not by the government. Look for that to change.
 
Fred is right.

How many of us have contemplated selling our main battle rifle so as to afford the Yamaha receiver-amp with Dolby 5.1?

Yeah. Me too, brother. :uhoh:

Rick
 
Grampster
Change starts at the top and is mostly never progress. Progress, on the other hand, always starts at the bottom and may mean change.
Heavy. I'm going to chew on that a while. I think I like it.
I don't think that there is a will to seek progress.
I'm afraid you may be right, in the case of the majority of Americans. My HS Latin teacher sparked my first consideration of the concept of the "Rise and Fall" of an empire. Ever afterward, as I studied the rise of America, I had considered the "fall" to be a theory only, and virtually impossible in reality. I'm not so sure anymore. If America does fall, we will have pulled her down from the inside. :fire:

TC
TFL Survivor
 
The article kind of reminds me of the movie that's practically a documentary, "The Matrix",people are so plugged into society that they don't know they are being fooled.


Most of the article can be summed up in three words:


Bread and Circuses
 
My old ROTC instructor made a comment to me one day that has stuck with me over the years: "as a nation gets stronger, its people get weaker."

I have several other sayings I"ve collected over the years (none original to me) that accurately reflect today's society:

"those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

"The American Republic will endure until the day the Congress learns it can bribe the public with the public's own money"

and my personal favorite, "Kill Your Television"
 
My Response to FRED

1. Free speech doesn't exist in America. -- Yes, there are things you can't say within PC etiquette. The new campaign finance reform act also has terribly distressing provisions. However, speech is still probably freer today than ever before for all Americans, though not as free as it was for some Americans. The average American is under much less of a threat to be incarcerated, labelled a political pariah or beaten by authorities today than in many previous decades. Your average conservative white male may disagree. However, many other groups only recently have aquired basic speech rights available to us for decades.

2. This is true. However, we never were a democracy in that sense. Our system of government is designed to operate with the speed of a dead slug when it comes to change. That is why the balance of power was created. What is the alternative however, many people on this board promote limiting voting rights to only some citizens. Unfortunately no means test, literacy test, equity test, education test, etc. would change our existing political structure effectively BECAUSE the people who would meet those tests are the ones currently participating in the existing system at the highest level, and who ultimately benefit from the system the most. If you believe that you, as a middle class person, are being impoverished because of entitlements to social leeches and welfare junkies please explain why we have seen the greatest concentration of wealth in the history of the United States in the past 20 years into the hands of an elite few.

3. Large jurisdictions discourage autonomy. -- This is true. Unfortunately they also discourage majoritarian tyranny. School boards are actually a terrible example of large jurisdiction control because contrary to popular belief, they continue to make most educational decisions in most areas. The federal government, which is accused of ruining education, actually plays a very small role. I will agree that State government has played an increasing role. Primarily the federal government focuses on funding and regulating special needs children. As an example of local educational autonomy, if we cross our county line here in FL, my wife's salarly would drop by 30%. Her duties would change, the way she works with students by law would change somewhat as well. Districts decide on textbooks, on curriculum within certain parameters etc. Often there are state mandates, but the real culprint in poor school district decision making is lack of participation. The voter turnout for school board elections is terrible. Ideologs and agenda flag bearers always show up, however. That is how they end up deleting the founding fathers from history classes (leftists) or removing evolution from science classes (social conservatives).

4. Huge bureucracies may serve as political flyweels, but small bureucracies or direct control by executives foster cronyism and petty dictatorships. Fred also shows his racist leanings by bringing up affirmative action in these bureucracies. While I agree about many negative effects of affirmative action, I dare to say that you can get indifferent rude government employees just as easily without affirmative action. You think that you run into problems with an indifferent minority trying to get government services? Try being a minority getting government services for most of the past 200 years with good ol' white folks running the services. I am no fan of people who can hide behind skin color and claims of racism as a way to save their jobs. A study in the mid 90's however showed that while around 70% of white males thought that they, as a group were victimized by AA policies, only 7% or so could actually cite instances where they had actually experienced such discrimination.

5. Fred claims that industry has been tamed by regulation and federal contracts, and that the days of JP Morgan were somehow more balanced...?

This is sickening. First of all some of the most tyranical excesses of power in US history happened during the robber baron era, and shortly after. Striking workers were shot by private armies, or beaten. The army itself was also called in to attack protesters. Workers had no protections or legal recourse against employers, and many thousands were exposed to toxins and other hazards that today even the most die-hard free market proponent would be apalled by.

Meanwhile today, when industry has been "tamed" by the big evil government we have a president from an industry with a vp from the same industry with a national security advisor from that industry making foreign policy decisions that clearly benefit that industry issuing unbid contracts to large companies in that industry and changing long standing environmental laws to benefit that industry and suppressing government reports about damage done by that industry so that industry can expand onto federal land. Meanwhile the former campaign advisor to the president runs a business that guides other large businesses into how to get contracts to rebuild the country we just invaded, which happens to hold HUGE reserves of the raw product refined by that industry. -- Oh yes, but they have been "tamed". How is this any different from when we invaded small "banana republics" because some fruit company needed to protect its assets?

Meanwhile today "churches have no sway" in the way the federal government makes decisions. Despite numerous studies PROVING the error of its ways the government continues to promote sex education policies that have been scientifically shown to be less effective than other policies that the churches don't like.

6. How can white, male, heterosexual culture be viewed as some kind of agency or force to counter the government when white male heterosexuals dominate most high-level positions in government and in the economy and in the sciences? Also, how are the interests of these other groups somehow be that different from those of white male heterosexuals? How can Fred buy into the myth of inassimible minorities that has historically, been proven untrue. The idea that immigrants or others can't assimilate has been the rallying cry of xenophobes for the better part of 2 centuries. Most people seem to forget, despite their own immigrant ancestry that it takes 2 generations for language and cultural assimilation to take place. That means that the grandchildren of the people darting across the border today will be Americanized, not the people who just crossed. - How do we know this?, because it was true of Italians and Germans and Poles and Irish and others. -- Some say those original immigrants were different, that they didn't bring crime. What about the Jewish mafia and the Irish mafia and the Italian mafia? -- Some say the old immigrants didn't come here to make money to send back home. -- Yet 50% of Italian male immigrants at the turn of the century went back home after they made enough money to buy land. -- Some people say that these new "inassimible" immigrants will genetically, culturally, racially or ethnically weaken our culture. And yet, 80 million people in the US today have Irish blood. The Irish were considered, until about 65-75 years ago, to be a separate, inferior non-white race. The view of the Irish from other more "advanced" British populations during the time of the founding fathers is made clear from this quote: "...savages, have been savages since the world began, and will be forever savages; mere radical savages, not yet advanced to the stage of barbarism" (Scott Pemberton 1797).

7. The permanent political class does exist. However, he leaves out big business leaders from the list. Anyone who believes that academic elites or bureucrats have more influence in our government that the leadership of large multinationals or conglomerates hasn't been paying much attention to the news lately (such as are war in Iraq!). There is no big federal authority, formal or otherwise, writing textbooks for our kids. They are adopted by local school boards. I do agree with Fred in that often people with agendas do write these. I have been saddened by how much of our history has been left out of school books for the sake of some PC apologist revisionism. However, I have ALSO read conservative christian history books and have found paragraphs that explicitly argue that the indians actually persecuted the good christian settlers, not the other way around. I guess our kids are getting screwed out of a good education no matter what school they go to (sarcasm).

8. Yes, the Supreme Court is powerful. Yes it is often an activist group. However, to say that the judicial branch is somehow LESS MORAL than the days of Jim Crow laws and before that Dread Scott is rather sickening if you think about it. The media is powerful, but also an open market where sensationalism on all sides of the political spectrum lives and thrives. That being said, NOTHING compares to the bias and sensationalism of political media in the 19th century. There was no pretense of objectivity, and mud was slung far and wide. Ironically, insofar as the supreme court goes, they seem reluctant to interfere with federal edicts reducing our rights, at least during the current administration. Those federal edicts passed the non-powerful legislature and were signed and initially promoted by the non-powerful executive branch.

9. Currently the media provides more open sources for information from all ends of the political spectrum than ever before. You can watch CBN, FOX, CNN and PBS and get totally different takes on the same events. Insofar as his claims of atrocities of whites against blacks and blacks against whites I don't know where he lives. My TV news is filled with images of African Americans committing crimes, at times against whites. Insofar as crimes so grand as to be called "atrocities" committed by "whites against blacks" or "blacks against whites", I am curious to know what he is referring to. The sheer idea of comparing "racial atrocities" is disturbing. Is he talking about crime? How is that a racial attrocity? Of course, following that train of thought a much more dramatic statement would involve comparing the atrocities commited by men against women. With 1 in 4 women victimized by sexual assault, lets just banish men from the US. Crime would go way down.

10 and 11. I would like ANYONE to argue that the TV media today isn't one of the most market driven forces in our society. Sex sells, so they show it. If it grows unpopular, programs become cleaner. "Normalcy" sells sometimes, till it doesn't. When "Ellen" came out of the closet, and her show focused on her gayness too much and people felt uncomfortable, it got cancelled. Today "gay" charicature programming sells, so it is in. Fake reality is selling so it is in. Spin City sold for a while, then it didn't, it got canned. What Fred is hypocritical about is condemning the lack of choices in government institutions and also condemning true market forces at work. You can't complaing about authoritarianism and then condemn capitalism as part of the same phenomenon. I get hunting programs and gun history programs and TV evangelists still fill my stations on Sundays, and Fox News has its own channel, and the Catholic Church has its own, and on public access TV, in liberal NYC you can catch black supremacists and Klansmen on the same night.

What is the alternative? I don't know what America Fred wants. The America he seems nostalgic about never existed for a huge part of the population. In many ways we are all paying the price for that hypocrisy now because founding ideals are not held in high esteem. To many these ideals are viewed cynically because they were tainted by their selective application throughout much of our history.
 
Just a point of clarification:

(2) A democracy run by two barely distinguishable parties is not in fact a democracy.

While we may elect our representatives democratically, we are not a democracy, parliamentary or otherwise. We are a constitutional republic. This little distinction gets lost on far too many people.

Neil
 
A fine closing, cloudkiller.......

"To many these ideals are viewed cynically because they were tainted by their selective application throughout much of our history."
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To an angry rant:) .

What's your solution?

Allow the 'angry ones' to tear it all down?:scrutiny:

longeyes wrote a post on this approach:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=744281#post744281
 
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The faithful recognize a power above that of the state, which they might choose to obey instead of Washington. The Catholic Church in particular, with its inherent organization, was once powerful. It has been brought to heel.

Wrong, the Roman Catholic Church of the UNITED STATES was brought to a heel. It had nothing to do with the government, and everything to do with the high leadership of the churches protecting sexual predators.
 
Wrong, the Roman Catholic Church of the UNITED STATES was brought to a heel. It had nothing to do with the government, and everything to do with the high leadership of the churches protecting sexual predators.
Actually, the political power of the RCC has been waning for decades, and it had to do with neither government action nor pedophilia scandals, but with growing apathy towards religion.

This can be said of most sects, not just the RCC. For example, the Episcopalian (Anglican) church once held as much political sway over its segment of society as the RCC did. The RCC's perceived "power" in the 20th century was due to Catholics being the largest denomination in the U.S. -- although that power was more more perception (and fear).

In any event, the recent scandals have increased the loss of RCC authority, but they are not the source of that loss. They may be more like pneumonia in a patient who has been fighting cancer for years.
 
The RCC's perceived "power" in the 20th century was due to Catholics being the largest denomination in the U.S. -

I'm not sure that's ever been true in the US...skimming the census stats, it seems that Catholics hover between 25% & 28%, vs 55%-61% for the Protestants.

Well, I suppose if you subdivided the various Protestant sects, that'd be accurate.

There are a number of interesting things going on there.

First, when referring to RCC power, I presumed he was talking about ancient European history, eg the Inquistion and so forth when discussing RCC power, which for a long time was nearly universal. Even kings feared the popes.

Second, American Catholicism for all practical purposes no longer resembles Catholicism of the earlier part of the 20th century, and only vaguely resembles its practice in the rest of the world. Talks of schism between Rome and America, which has surfaced at least twice in the last 20 years, pretty much dried up overnight, in each case presumably JPII vigorously repressed discussion in that direction.

Third, Americans for the most part take their Catholicism with a wink and a nod. Few take seriously assertions of papal infallibility, sexist rulings concerning women, or the archaic ban on contraception. Having thus broken ranks, and shattered the spell, the Catholic social constructs that reinforced the theology disintegrated, and consequently, the power of the theology is diminished.

Being threatened with excommunication, and thus being denied access to a heavenly afterlife was a significant way to bring people in line, but today, it's a threat few take seriously.

{disclaimer: I was raised Catholic. I got over it. Which reminds me, I have to file papers to be excommunicated, you pretty much stay on the "active list" till that happens ;)
Further disclaimer: the purpose of this post isn't to inflame religious rhetoric of any flavor, but to illustrate the nature of the decline of the power of the RCC in America }
 
I'm not sure that's ever been true in the US...skimming the census stats, it seems that Catholics hover between 25% & 28%, vs 55%-61% for the Protestants.

Well, I suppose if you subdivided the various Protestant sects, that'd be accurate.
Protestants are made up of dozens and dozens of denominations. No denomination -- for example the Baptists -- approaches the 25%-ish mark of the RCC in the U.S.

Baptists, Methodists, Episcopalians, Presbyterians, etc. are not sects, they are denominations. :) (Yes, I'm aware that I incorrectly described Episcopalians as a sect in my previous post -- I was using sect and denomination interchangeably.)

Denomination: A large group of religious congregations united under a common faith and name and organized under a single administrative and legal hierarchy.
Sect: A religious body, especially one that has separated from a larger denomination.
Source: www.dictionary.com



Third, Americans for the most part take their Catholicism with a wink and a nod.
If there is a schism, it's the Europeans who are farther from Rome. American Catholics may wink and nod, but the Europeans (with some exceptions) are openly insolent and disdainful.
 
So just where do I fit in,

as a lapsed-Methodist, philo-semitic (with reservations), occasional Friends-meeting attending, Anglican High-Church Deist?
 
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