CA: Your Walther P22 is now an Assault Weapon

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Just got a package in the mail today.

Bill Lockyer
Attorney General

April 2005

Dear California Walther P-22 pistol owner:

The California Department of Justice records indicate a Walther P-22 pistol was sold to you. Through no fault of your own, the P-22 pistol was sold to you in violation of California Statute 2003 Dangerous Weapons Controls Law, Chapter 2.3, Article 1 section 12276.1 (a)(4)(A), an assault weapon statute, because it has a threaded barrel capable of accepting a suppressor.

Carl Walther GmbH, through its distributor, Smith & Wesson, is offering to retrofit this pistol so it no longer is in violation of California criminal law. This will be done at no cost to you! Enclosed is a prepaid shipping label and box for overnight shipment to Smith & Wesson. The pistol will be modified with a non-removable barrel, to comply with the law, and will be returned to you within three (3) weeks. To return your model P-22 for retrofit:

1. Ensure the pistol is unloaded and secured with the blue plastic chamber plug [safety flag simulator] originally provided to you with your firearm;
2. Remove the magazines;
3. Place unloaded pistol and the barrel wrench in the shipping box with cushioning (or use the black plastic case supplied with your pistol and the corrugated box);
4. Attach the enclosed prepaid FedEx overnight slipping(sic) label onto the corrugated shipping box; and,
5. Telephone FedEx [1-800-463-3339] to arrange for pick-up of your packaged firearm. If it is more convenient for you, you may bring the box to a FedEx pick up station or a FedEx shipping office and inform them that you are shipping a firearm. You cannot drop the package in a drop box.

Smith & Wesson will return your P-22 pistol along with a certificate that your Walther P-22 pistol is now compliant with California statute. The same information will be sent to the California Department of Justice. This retrofit and its certificate will protect you from any enforcement action relating to the assault weapon statute for the pistol that has been retrofitted.

YOU MUST RESPOND TO THIS NOTIFICATION WITHIN 45 DAYS (insert actual date). IF YOU FAIL TO RETURN YOUR P22 PISTOL AS OUTLINED ABOVE, YOU WILL BE SUBJECT TO CALIFORNIA ENFORCEMENT ACTIONS. If you no longer own or possess this handgun please complete the "Notice of No Longer in Possession" form on the reverse of this letter and return to the address indicated on this letter.

If you have questions regarding the Shipping Instructions or status of the retrofit of your P-22 pistol please contact Smith &Wesson at 1-800-331-0852 ext. 2905. If you have questions regarding California firearms laws please contact the Department of Justice at (916) 263-4887.

Sincerely,

Randy Rossi, Director
Firearms Division

For Bill Lockyer
Attorney General
 
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I actually fired a P22 with the silencer on it out back of a gunshop down in Florida a few months ago. It made me want one.
 
Holy cow! Send your legally-purchased pistol to the factory to be neutered or go to jail?

Ex post facto[/], ain't it? Sounds like California screwed up by approving the gun, and now they're making the manufacturer pay for the state's mistake in fedex fees and new barrels, and making citizens pay by devaluing their pistols.

Insane.

My deepest sympathies, Californians. I would think really hard about moving.
 
Good thing they destroy those records after you pass the background check and wait 10 days.....

Or they are equipped with the psychics in the movie, 'Minority Report' and found the address there.

They must have gone to every dealer in the state and had them dig up all the transactions for the P22 in the last however long. What a PITA.

Bill in SD
 
Handgun DROS information is kept 20 years by the DOJ. Rifle DROS is destroyed after 10 days.

Everyone who ever bought a P22 in California is on a list held by the DOJ.
 
Everyone who ever bought a P22 in California is on a list held by the DOJ.

This give anyone else a warm, fuzzy feeling?
[/Sarcasm]


:banghead: :cuss: :banghead: :cuss: :banghead: :cuss: :banghead:

I have personally given a home to a political refuge from the PRK.

She is a cute little brunette Hungarian AK underfolder. She doesn’t take up much room and is not at all picky as to what she is fed. Chinese, Canis Lupis, no problem, although she does have a voracious appetite - she doesn’t gain any weight.
 
I just recievd that same package today in the mail. What rights do I have and what canbe done about this?

Has anyone trid to block this from happening? :banghead:
 
I don't have a P22 so I can't say so definitively, but it seems to me as though they are NOT banning a firearm in violation of any law.

Correct me if I'm mistaken but the P22 CANNOT accept a supressor. It has a threaded barrel, which is only capable of recieving an ADAPTER, which in turn a supressor can be mounted to.

A supressor CANNOT be attached directly to the barrel, therefore the P22 is not a firearm with a threaded barrel "capable of accepting a supressor."

This whole fiasco should definately end up in court. It's up to one (or many) of you P22 owners to do something.
 
The system failed

:cuss:
After reading this yesterday I called the CADOJ. And inquired about the Walter P22 assault pistol. Yes indeed it is illegal in California. They supposedly sent out 4,000 letters and packets to have the firearm "fixed". I never got one. And the answer they gave me on why this slipped through was S&W sent in a model without the threaded barrel.

It's in my name that's ironic part, this pistol is for my wife. The reason it's in my name, she didn't have the most recent HSC card. Just shows how well govenment works.

It's a great pistol light enough for her and very little kick. She has small hands and it fits perfect for her.
 
Correct me if I'm mistaken but the P22 CANNOT accept a supressor. It has a threaded barrel, which is only capable of recieving an ADAPTER, which in turn a supressor can be mounted to.

No, that isn't necessarily true. You could make a supressor that would fit into the barrel opening and attache to the threads directly. There is enough space and although it would be a poor way to mount the suppressor, it would fit into their definition. I am sure their only criteria is if it has threads, which that weapon does.
 
A supressor CANNOT be attached directly to the barrel, therefore the P22 is not a firearm with a threaded barrel "capable of accepting a supressor."

Suppressor fitment or what does/doesn't fit is absolutely irrelevant to the CA laws in question. This is moot for people outside of CA who can have the P22s they want.

[You may have been thinking of now-sunset Federal AW ban, which included coverage of bbls 'threaded to accept flash suppressors' as one evil feature for rifles - maybe semiauto handguns too, can't remember. (In theory under Fed law if no extant suppressor were available for that particular rifle the threaded bbl woulda been legal but that's really cutting it close.)]

Calif Penal Code sec 12276-12276 specifies that a threaded barrel on a semiauto handgun is an 'evil feature', making it into an assault weapon in CA.

According to a recounting of DOJ's comments in some post above in this thread -- and which I actually believe -- S&W sent in a non-threaded P22 for certification testing but actually shipped threaded bbls to customers. So they kinda had a 'laboratory queen' situation...

S&W product compliance officer screwed up.



Bill Wiese
San Jose CA
 
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Both the 3.4" and 5" barrels are threaded for a bushing that is used with a sleeve to fix the barrel to the receiver. Mine has both and comes with a wrench for tightening the bushing.

You can purchase adapters that allow you to replace the bushing with a device that lets you to screw in 'accessories'...such as a silencer in one case and a standard plastic soda bottle in another. The bottle is supposed to be for cleaning. You need to be careful because the adapters come in two styles...European threads and American threads.

Screw California...the treads on the barrel are used to tighten it onto the pistol...it can't be used for a silencer as is...(1) because the threads on the barrel are wrong, and (2) without the bushing the barrel falls out.

A video is here....
 
bjbarron wrote:
Screw California...the treads on the barrel are used to tighten it onto the pistol...it can't be used for a silencer as is...(1) because the threads on the barrel are wrong, and (2) without the bushing the barrel falls out

This whole thread is specifically about P22s in California!! I agree that the law sucks, but we don't need voting gunnies in jail on felony charges if they
get popped for one after sufficient time passes. Remember, these laws are 'simple possession' laws.

Again, silencer or flash suppressor fitment ability is absolutely irrelevant. The barrel threading is an 'evil feature' in CA. The mere fact that the barrel has threading (for ANY purpose, including attaching a vibrating pacifier for liberal blisninnies) alone makes it an assault weapon.

However, the P22 is not a 'by name' AW in California: it's only an AW due to its one evil feature.

If you wanted to retain your P22 with threaded barrel, and not have it modified, you could remove the barrel and store it separately. (For sake of crusading local prosecutors & poss attempt at constructive possession charges, I'd retain the gun and bbl in separate locked cases.) Cal DOJ no longer consideres it an AW when evil features removed.


Bill Wiese
San Jose CA
 
Funny thing that threaded barrel thing...

The threaded stuff? that is for people who have the money to machine or have machined cans and can make them... Hate to burst their bubble but a bull barrelled pistol (I will not name) can be used with 1" copper tubing some 1X1/4 fender washers, some rubber stock, and a hose clamp. to make a nice one too... no threads there and no machine shop and dirt cheap. Silly CA.... you can ban stuff but you can't ban ingenuity. give it up kids... let the adults be adults. find something better to do with our tax money. Like keeping out ILLEGAL PEOPLE!!! :fire:
 
For CA law, the assault weapon threaded barrel issue was not, I think, about silencers/noise suppressors. Common knowledge that they're essentially unobtainium for decades in CA for mere mortals.

It was a carryover from the rifle legislation banning flash suppressors, and they just carried this evil feature across to the handgun list from the rifle list.


Bill Wiese
San Jose, CA
 
interesting poss CA test case involving P22s...

As we've been discussing here, in CA the P22 with threaded bbl is considered an assault weapon. Since it was made after 1/1/00, it is not registerable as one and must be mutilated to remain in CA.

The DOJ letter gives a 45 day time period to reply.

YOU MUST RESPOND TO THIS NOTIFICATION WITHIN 45 DAYS (insert actual date). IF YOU FAIL TO RETURN YOUR P22 PISTOL AS OUTLINED ABOVE, YOU WILL BE SUBJECT TO CALIFORNIA ENFORCEMENT ACTIONS. If you no longer own or possess this handgun please complete the "Notice of No Longer in Possession" form on the reverse of this letter and return to the address indicated on this letter.

Do note the P22, when the barrel is removed, is no longer an AW (even by DOJ definition). I imagine quite a few people may do this.

Bill Wiese
San Jose CA
 
For CA law, the assault weapon threaded barrel issue was not, I think, about silencers/noise suppressors. Common knowledge that they're essentially unobtainium for decades in CA for mere mortals.

It was a carryover from the rifle legislation banning flash suppressors, and they just carried this evil feature across to the handgun list from the rifle list.


Bill Wiese
San Jose, CA

The assault weapon law sepcifically mentions suppressors in the sentence with the threaded barrel on handguns. Threaded barrels on rifle are perfectly legal.
 
I purchased a P22 pistol on Valentines day for my wife

I am in Cali. I have not recieved one of these packages yet. Is there a lawyer here in California that is pretty good, that I could consult?

Can't believe I may have standing. Whoopie!

Will Albenzi
 
Seems like it would have been a lot less trouble for DOJ to just issue a ruleing that if the barrel threads are integral to assembly of a functioning weapon and unsuitable for the attachment of silencers or other accessories, that the threads dont meet the intent of naming the evil feature.

I wonder if anyone suggested it.
 
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