Friend afraid of guns

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A friend of mine is in his 50's and he has done shooting for a while.Even though he knows how to use a rifle and uses one every week down at the range,for some reason,he has kept a strict policy of "no guns in the house." He hasn't had a bad experience with firearms before, he is competent with them, knows it would be good for him to own his own rifle now,but he just feels extremely uncomfortable with one in his house.

How do I convince/assure him its "ok" to have one in his house?

Ideas? What would you do if you were in my position/in a similar position(e.g: a spouse like my friend)
 
Guns in da Houze

The definition of phobia is an unreasoning fear of something beyond one's control. Unreasoning being the operative word...you're unlikely to convince your friend that they won't turn into Wereguns during the full moon and rise up to slay the innocent in their beds.

Simply put...It's generally a waste of time to attempt to reason with someone who has a firmly established mindset. You have better things to do with your time. Like...shooting!:cool:
 
Not a thing to be concerned about. There may be circumstances in the home, visitors with small kids, some issue with liability and maybe he just feels better having them secured in the garage or an out building.
 
Maybe he has kids, and he is worried about that. Or somebody could be staying there that he doesnt trust.

Btw, if he soesnt like to keep guns in the house, were does he store his rifle?
 
What would you do if you were in my position/in a similar position(e.g: a spouse like my friend)

I understand what people are saying about letting the guy do what he wants...but what about other situations like antagonist mentioned?

I'm running into the same problem right now with my girlfriend (whom i live with). I've been around guns all my life and have many guns in the family, all of which though have been kept at my parents house. I recently purchased my first handgun and would like to keep it in the house (safely stored of course). Her views sound similar to the 50 yr old mentioned...any suggestions?

Btw, I'm new to the board and this is my first post. This is the first (and most recent) post that I've found regarding this topic, sorry if there's been others in the past.
 
nestor...

"I'm running into the same problem right now with my girlfriend (whom i live with). I've been around guns all my life and have many guns in the family, all of which though have been kept at my parents house. I recently purchased my first handgun and would like to keep it in the house (safely stored of course). Her views sound similar to the 50 yr old mentioned...any suggestions?"

Earn her respect with your desire to be a leader and protector, not in a cheesy way, but in a solid, grounded way. Take the role as a leader of your abode (one of the hard things about moving in with a girl). Explain your feelings on the issue, role play some scenarios that would get her thinking, find some fun ways to get her more into shooting (I've started a few girls off on fun CO2 and air rifles).

And if you are a 'kook' and 'extremist' like me, you may even want to bring in the philosophical and political reasons for staying armed, the importance as the final balance in the system of checks and balances - the people.

Hope it helps, very important that the woman not disarm her man and her family because of idealism and emotion.

just a thought

good luck!

ST
 
This is for Nestorlinks

If you have a new pistol, and your gf is anti-gun there are going to be issues. Find out why she's the way she is. Sometimes people develop views based on their experiences. There's a big difference between reflexive ignorance (fear of the unknown), and a time when her brother was shot by a rude poacher.

If it's fear and ignorance, this is your chance. Borrow a .22 Revolver and a semi-auto and offer to teach her the basics. This is a tool, recite the three rules of firearm ownership and then emphasize the safety. Let her handle the guns, let her dry fire the guns. After you have done this, take her to the range, use the same guns you taught her on and have her apply the basics. Ask the range staff for an isolated stall, and try not to be near rifles if they are allowed. I start my newbies on a .22 Revolver, then a .32 Revolver, then a .38 SPL. Some want to jump right into the autos, where I have them shoot a 9MM, and then a .45 pistol. I have found that most tend to settle on the 9MM / 38 SPL cartridges. Get a couple of large targets and have her pump some lead into them and tell her that she's doing great. Pay attention to ensure she follows the rules safely too.

After you teach her the safety aspects, show her how the gun is / will be stored. You should have either a safe of some kind, a locker of some kind, and possibly a trigger lock (which I wouldn't recommend.) Keep the gun in the safe unloaded at first and then go from there. She should also know how to make a gun instantly safe, and have the ability to load and unload one as well.
It's a steep curve, but once she gets over the fear, you might have created a monster. Patience and understanding are the keys to this. Remember that and you might have a convert whose enthusiasm outmatches yours.
 
Thanks for the responses, all very good points.

Her viewpoint is that:
1) she's never had, or known someone close who has had a bad experience with guns
2) she grew up in a household that did not believe in them
3) her main point is that it is a risk that she would rather not have in the household

We do not have any kids to warrant that risk and I believe they can be stored safely enough that other people would not be a risk either.

She is not immanently opposed to them in the house, but i have not been able to come up with a substantial argument to back my point. I guess that is where I am stuck now...I don't know how receptive she will be to getting her hands on a gun, but that is an option.
 
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Aha! A girlfriend who is in opposition! That throws it into a different arena.

I'd suggest starting her with something that isn't intimidating. The ubiquitous .22 rifle is worth its weight in gold here.

Come up with an interesting, fun game like "Bust the Water Balloon" or a set of rimfire metallic silhouettes. Like the shooting gallery at the county fair.

When it's time to move her up to a handgun, go with a .22 at first and graduate her to something more...and if you can find a range that provides a falling plate machine...the stage is set.
 
As the saying goes, you can lead a horse to water......

If somebody ALREADY knows how to use one and has some concern over safety of having one in the house, I feel like they have simply resolved themselves to being a victim. Its one thing if the person is anti and not educated, but if they know how to use and still anti...?

The reality is that your friend needs a LOT of learning in history. Your friend needs to learn WHY guns were invented and WHY they are a necessitiy for the people.

Its all a lesson in World History......
 
Yeah, already been said, but just for the record. He's the king of his castle. Doesn't make any sense, but whatever makes him feel comfortable in his own home is best.
 
It seems like he's seen the other side and is making a well informed decision. Just, because he disagrees with you on the subject afterwards doesn't mean he has decided to be a victim and wants to allow intruders to beat him up and loot his stuff. Guns aren't for everyone. There are other alternatives and there's no need to pressure people into owning a gun. That's just as bad as the anti-gun groups pressuring people not to own guns.
 
How do I convince/assure him its "ok" to have one in his house?

Like others have said , his house, his rule, keep you nose out of it.

Guys your looking at it all wrong. He has no kids, and he does not want a gun in the house, but still is OK to shot one at the range. He not afraid of guns, he is afraid of a gun being in HIS house.

Perhaps he is depressed and has suicidal thoughts. Perhaps he is a drunk, and doesn't trust his actions. Maybe he is Bi-polar with homicidal thoughts. Maybe he is hiding the fact that he was a felon. Maybe he has a short fuse. Who knows, but it is his decision, leave it be.
 
IRT Nestor

I had a g/f (now wife) who had the same attitude. The "I will leave you if you buy a gun" attitude and she still pokes fun at me whenever Blue Collar TV shows some redneck with a shotgun. She had a list of reasons similar to yours. I eventually got my foot in the door and I convinced her to come shoot a rental .22 rifle with me. She still didn't like it, but she thought shooting was boring. I just promised to keep my rifles locked up at home and I picked up a couple of rifles. She got used to it and insisted on coming to shoot one day. Her reasoning was that she now wanted to learn how to shoot so she can become a FBI agent. :rolleyes: Women are weird.....but the point is just exposing someone to the REAL gun usually dispels preconceived notions about the "evils" of guns.
 
I have found that taking these people out to shoot does a lot of good. I usually take a 22 rifle or handgun at first and have them become familiar with the weapon and how it works. They soon become addicted like the rest of us.
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I am afraid of gun myself. Most of the time its when i am around one and not in controll !!!!!
 
Tell the girlfriend the gun will be safely stored (locked somehow) when you leave it at home...if she cannot handle that then she is overstepping her bounds as far as YOUR rights.

It cannot hurt anyone or bestolen if it locked up when you are not there. Simple enough if she still has a problem this isn't about guns its about who controls too much.
 
I have found that taking these people out to shoot does a lot of good. I usually take a 22 rifle or handgun at first and have them become familiar with the weapon and how it works. They soon become addicted like the rest of us.

Very true. One of my good friends since high school was always anti-gun, he was nervous around them, didnt want them in his house, etc.

Well last weekend i finally convinced him to come to the range with me, and by the drive home he was already talking about which guns he was going to buy. :neener:
 
Simple enough if she still has a problem this isn't about guns its about who controls too much.

Ouch...

I think that I can at least respect her enough to talk it over and listen to her concerns. I was just asking for suggestions on "ammo" to back me up on.
 
He may change his own mind, if he continues his shooting activities, but I wouldn't try to change his mind for him.

Some people may actually be careless, or prone to anger rages, or for whatever reasons do not trust themselves with firearms.

If they arrive at the conclusion they do not trust themselves with firearms based on ignorance, then I think an appropriate response is to take them to the range and see if that leads eventually to them re-evaluating their stance on gun ownership. In this guy's case, he has already had the familiarization with guns and he still doesn't want them in his house.

If their conclusion isn't just about no guns in their house, but also no guns in my house, then I will argue with them all day long.

Your friend isn't committing either ignorance or tyranny. Therefore, I think you have to simply respect his decision. His life, his call.
 
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