Friend w/ 'record' wants to shoot my pistol...

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Do yall know that if a person recieves any discharge form the military that aint honerable(even if they just couldnt hack it from the getgo and get an entry level seperation for medical reasons) they are banned from owning firearms.






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Do yall know that if a person recieves any discharge form the military that aint honerable(even if they just couldnt hack it from the getgo and get an entry level seperation for medical reasons) they are banned from owning firearms.

Not true. Only a "Dishonorable Discharge" bans a person from owning a firearm. That's because a DD is the military equivilant of having been convicted of a felony. Whoever told you otherwise has their facts wrong.
 
Federal law prohibits felons and those convicted or certain misdemeanors from possesing firearms. Don't let someone with a felony conviction handle your guns. You could get in trouble for letting him, and he could get in trouble for handling them. Don't do it.
 
My own experience

Back when I got out of high school my girlfriend at the time was a real party girl, and I was a big party guy. After I started to grow out of the kid stuff, we broke up and she slammed me with a "protective order" (restraining order). A simple argument that involved yelling and absolutly no physical contact. No threats, people yell, thats life!

Her word against mine, there was no argument and there was no contest or even a chance for me to tell my side of the story.

I missed work, I was charged 700 dollars of court fees and my firearms rights were taken away until the order wore out. (two years)

Ruined my life in the sense that I couldn't hunt, go camping without the safety of a gun, go to the range by myself, BUY guns period, and WORST of all I missed my CHL when I turned 21.

P.S. Directly two weeks after she payed a visit to my house by trashing my new truck and mother's car with a brick and keying in offensive words in my tailgate. Another couple months she was arrested for beating up her boyfriend. (I found out since he went to highschool with me) Then she totaled his truck in DWI incident. THEN finally she for some reason called the cops on him. THATS JUSTICE HUH?

Yet in the years past I've yet to experience any trouble with the police, not even moving violations and yet HER word against mine really took my freedom away from me and made me lose faith in the justice system. I'm just glad to be through it all. But goes to show that there can be very unjust reasons for simple men to lose their rights. I'm not a badguy and never have been.
 
Keep in mind that being convicted of a crime of DV is NOT repeat NOT the same thing or even related to a DOMESTIC VIOLENCE RESTRAINING ORDER. A DVRO may include provisions regarding ownership of firearms, but it is not a criminal conviction and does not have the same impact as a criminal conviction. For example, most expire after a time and have limited jurisdictional reach. Still, it's a good idea to be very sure about what the fine print includes before you agree to one, as many do.

And as I've told many clients--think and think again before you even consider getting involved with anyone. There's virtually no chance of an upside unless they're rich. Marriage is a partnership of fools, and dating a game of Russian roulette.
 
A buddy of mine was given a OTH (other than honerable) and tried to buy a rifle 6 years later and couldnt and his discharge had been suspended cuz he stayed clean. Another friend was given a general discharge and wasnt able to own guns anymorehe even went to jail cuz a local cop caught him shooting his 22 that he bought while he was in the corps. So went I said that I was speaking from what I have witnessed.





one shot one kill
 
Marriage is a partnership of fools, and dating a game of Russian roulette.

Ummm... WOW... That's one hell of a (lonely) world view, Cosmo...

I mean, don't get me wrong... I like posting here and everything... just not enough to give up women. :D
 
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Only a Dishonable Discharge from the military, a Domestic Vilonce misdemeanor conviction, or any Felony will barr you from ever owning, touching, or being around those that have a gun in their possession. Don't believe it, check out the Federal Project Exile. Some states have even stricter laws about gun ownership. States cannot circumvent Federal law or override it. Do not give a Felon, even for a look, any gun for any reason, or you too will join him in the restricted catagory.
 
I'd just flat out ask him.

Refresh him on the laws and punishments for a felon possessing a weapon in your state and then just ask him point blank, "Are you legal to take possession of this and shoot it? It's OK if you say no, you're my friend and I'll forget all about it."

If he's your friend you should be able to trust his answer. And if he's lying, well, it's a small bit of CYA anyhow...
 
Strange thing is, the ATF says it's ok to go to a gunshop and shoot submachineguns as long as you are not in 'posession' of the weapon (it can be chained down or the shop owner is with you while you shoot, etc...) but an excon gets busted if he touches a weapon or bullet. Somehow that sounds like interpetation of the two laws is simply done according to what the LEOs 'think' the law should be.
 
Friend w/ 'record' wants to shoot my pistol...
Several years ago I had a friend who had some sort of record - don't remember what it was; nothing scary, but apparently disqualified him from owning a gun...

Anyway, I happened to mention that I shot pistol - he expressed an interest in shooting with me sometime.

Never got around to it; but my question: is it legal for me to let him shoot my pistol on a private range?

Clint


Clint, if you get caught letting your friend hold your weapon, you'll both be felons.
Don't even think about it.
-David
 
My own experience

Back when I got out of high school my girlfriend at the time was a real party girl, and I was a big party guy. After I started to grow out of the kid stuff, we broke up and she slammed me with a "protective order" (restraining order). A simple argument that involved yelling and absolutly no physical contact. No threats, people yell, thats life!

Her word against mine, there was no argument and there was no contest or even a chance for me to tell my side of the story.

I missed work, I was charged 700 dollars of court fees and my firearms rights were taken away until the order wore out. (two years)

Ruined my life in the sense that I couldn't hunt, go camping without the safety of a gun, go to the range by myself, BUY guns period, and WORST of all I missed my CHL when I turned 21.

P.S. Directly two weeks after she payed a visit to my house by trashing my new truck and mother's car with a brick and keying in offensive words in my tailgate. Another couple months she was arrested for beating up her boyfriend. (I found out since he went to highschool with me) Then she totaled his truck in DWI incident. THEN finally she for some reason called the cops on him. THATS JUSTICE HUH?

Yet in the years past I've yet to experience any trouble with the police, not even moving violations and yet HER word against mine really took my freedom away from me and made me lose faith in the justice system. I'm just glad to be through it all. But goes to show that there can be very unjust reasons for simple men to lose their rights. I'm not a badguy and never have been.


For a protctive order to be issued against a defendant, the defendant has to atend the hearing and have the oppurtunity to tell his side of the story. The only exception is during emergencies, and only then for a temporary basis (less than a week until the hearing can be scheduled). If you had a protective order issued against you without the right to tell your side of the story then you need to consult an attorney.
Good luck.
-David
 
Haven't seen this fellow in months - haven't talked guns with him in years.

I think shooting my guns is off the table.

Thanks for all the input.
 
Perhaps a pardon should be sought

I would suggest that he seek a pardon. That we agree with the law is not the point. The point is, that the law is whatever it is, until it is changed. I would not risk my rights to K&B arms by circumventing any laws for any other person.

Doc2005
 
Two words of caution: aiding and abetting

Roy Ronald Hernandez was indicted for aiding and abetting the possession of a firearm by a convicted felon, in violation of 18 U.S .C. § 922(g)(1) and (2). A jury found Hernandez guilty of the charged offense, and the court sentenced him, inter alia, to 77 months imprisonment. U.S. v. Hernandez, 2006 WL 1582654
C.A.5 (Tex.),2006.
 
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