From Kim du Toit, crossing America.

[Brian Williams]

Read the whole first post

Nope, JUST Handguns, not gaming to get a long gun, no extra barrels, not extras, no stocks, just 2 handguns: one rimfire, one centerfire.

Crossing America—With A Difference
Kim du Toit
March 13, 2008
7:49 AM CDT

For those Readers unfamiliar with this game, the scenario is as follows:

The Challenge:

You have the opportunity to go back in time, arriving on the east coast of North America circa 1650, and your goal is to cross the North American continent alone, taking as much time as you need. When/if you reach the opposite coastline, you’ll be transported back to the present day.

Your equipment for this journey will be as follows (taken back in the time capsule with you):

* enough gold to buy a horse and a mule (or two horses / two mules, whatever), and provisions for the first five days’ travel;
* a small backpack containing some clothing and toiletries;
* a winter coat, raincoat and two pairs of boots;
* waterproof sleeping bag;
* an axe, a large sheath knife, a smaller blade, and a “toolkit” knife like a Swiss Army or Gerber Multitool;
* a box of 1,000 “strike anywhere” waterproof matches;
* a topological map, binoculars and a compass;
* a very small toolbox, including a firearm cleaning kit and a few spares for your firearms;
* and a U.S. Army First Aid kit.

Weapons:

* ONE rifle (and 800 rounds, but no scope)
* ONE handgun (and 1,000 rounds)


The question: which long gun, and which hand gun would you choose to take with you?

Guns only, please.

You should make your decision before entering your choices, unless you’re one of those wishy-washy people who lets other people make his decisions for him. There are no wrong answers, of course—everyone is entitled to pick guns with which they are comfortable, or which they think will do best for whatever jobs (self-defense, hunting, whatever) are required.

Feel free to debate with others their choices, but (of course) thou shalt not insult another member, nor ridicule their choice.

This came from Kin du Toit's blog and

Changing it to fit with General Handguns

Weapons:

* ONE centerfire handgun (and 800 rounds, but no scope)
* ONE rimfire handgun (and 2,000 rounds)

What would you choose and why.


Do not post anything else, just the handguns.

O by the way, here is a map of civilization and exploration at that time.

 

[The Bushmaster]

Question...Noted that change was made. Was the centerfire handgun a typo? NO! And we are allowed both a rifle and a handgun of modern design?NO!

 

[Brian Williams]

I forgot to add my choices, much as I like my S&Ws, it would be a Ruger single six with a 5" barrel and fixed sights and a Ruger Vaquaro set up like Jim March's vaqhawk with a bisley hammer, and a windage adjustable front sight on a 5" barrel in 357 magnum.

 

[highorder]

I'll take a S&W model 627, 6" bbl. and a Browning Buckmark.

and a wide variety of loads for the .357.

 

[Cosmoline]

The rimfire would be a Ruger Single Six with a 7 1/2 inch barrel in .22 Win. Mag. cause du Toit is buying!

The centerfire handgun would be a Thompson Center in .375 JDJ with a scope.

The Six in .22 WM offers enough cruel takedown power for anything up to deer and is also about as good a manstopper as you can get in a rimfire.

The JDJ is about the most potent and accurate hunting handgun I know of. It can take down large game if needed and is a lot easier to control than a big wheelgun.

Only I would NOT attempt to go across the continent 150 years before Lewis and Clark pulled it off. It would be suicide. A better bet would be to take my assorted goodies and go THE OTHER DIRECTION back to Europe. There I would tell tales of a remarkable golden land somewhere in the vicinity of China and I would display the wonders I found there. One king or another would give me sufficient gold and equip me with a small fleet of vessels I could use to get to the Pacific Coast of north america without having to break trail over the whole continent.

 

[ClemY]

I'll take my 5" 627PC .357 and a 617 or 63 .22.

 

[RyanM]

Hm, revolver vs. auto is actually a tough choice in this one.

A revolver is less reliant on spring tension for reliable functioning, and has no magazines to break or lose. Revolvers are much less lubricant-sensitive, only needing enough to prevent them from rusting.

On the other hand, they're more sensitive to hard knocks, especially to the cylinder. If I somehow screwed up the timing of a revolver, I'd never be able to fix it, nor would any of the blacksmiths of the day unless I find a real genius. If the crane or frame got bent, I'd never be able to get it to shoot straight again.

An auto will be much more sensitive to dirt and crud and poor lube. I'd probably have to resort to using tallow after the supplies in the cleaning kit run out, and most autos wouldn't appreciate that at all. There's also spring wear to take into account.

But, even with no magazines and a crudded up action, an auto will at least function as a single shot pistol. A revolver could be used the same way if it's out of time, though, by taking out most of the internals and just manually lining up the cylinder, but that's a lot more chancy.

I'd have to say for the rimfire, I would go with some kinda revolver in .22 magnum (unless I have to take some kind of ammo penalty for choosing .22 mag over .22 LR), with an 8" or so barrel.

For centerfire, a T/C Encore pistol in .308 Win.

Both stainless.

 

[barnetmill]

Does a .22 magnum count as a rimfire. In the past since this is "historical" rimfires did come in larger calibers. But quite honestly to survive such a trip would require more than equipment. Knowledge of how to live off the land would come first. Trapping and fishing would be as important for getting food as would a firearm.

Probably better to give up one of the guns and take a native american female along for the trip.

 

[Beagle-zebub]

I don't know, but a big +1 on the 1,000 strike-anywhere matches. Those are the best thing to come along since Johannes Gutenberg invented duck-tape.

 

[Soap]

I'd go with a T/C Encore in .308 and a Ruger Single Six.

 

[bestseller92]

Sounds like a scenario I posted back in 2007, slightly expanded and modified.

http://www.eotacforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=65&t=47693

http://www.okshooters.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11734

Filed under "Oops" (or perhaps "There really is nothing new under the sun". I did a search for Kim du Toit, found his website, and discovered he's had a thread "eerily similar" to this going since at least 2006. So I not annoyed anymore, and I take back my previous comments.

 

[akodo]

Well, as I can choose ANY firearm,Wrong answer, I said Handguns

 

[lamazza]

A Glock 17
and
Browning Buckmark

 

[3rdpig]

Glock 20, and if allowed a spare barrel and a detachable shoulder stock (the spare barrel would be a 16" barrel)

S&W K22 Masterpiece, 6" barrel.


Glock in standard form for self defense, with the stock and 16" barrel for larger game and the K22 for small game and backup to the Glock.

 

[dasmi]

I'll go with what I know. Glock 21, and a Ruger Mk. I, II, or III.

 

[vanilla_gorilla]

S&W Model 27 5 inch and S&W Model 18 4 inch.

 

[Brian Williams]

Nope, JUST Handguns, not gaming to get a long gun, no extra barrels, not extras, no stocks, just 2 handguns: one rimfire, one centerfire.

 

[ojibweindian]

Ruger New Model Super Blackhawk in .44 Magnum and a Ruger New Model Single 6 in .22 WMR. Blued or stainless.

 

[dom1104]

The choice to me is obvious.

No double action revolvers, too delicate. Autos are the same way.

44 mag single action and a 22 LR single action.

make and model matter less than the simplicity of the design.

 

[DennisE]

An Accusport 5" SS .44 Magnum Ruger Bisley Blackhawk and a 6" .22LR Ruger Bisley. Dennis

 

[scurtis_34471]

CZ 75 D
CZ Kadet

 

[Silvanus]

I would probably choose a S&W model 629 with a 5" barrel.

For the rimfire, I would take a S&W model 617. That's the one with the 10-rounds cylinder, right?



PS: why not post the same thread in the general discussions section? I think it would be interesting to see the rifle choices, too.

 

[3pairs12]

Glock 22
Ruger single 6
Reason because I can shoot both well.

 

[Titan6]

A lever action in .44 Mag with some kind of .44 mag DA wheel gun with a 6" barrel. The brand is not so important so long as it has been manufactured in the last five years.

What do I win?You Lose, didn't read the first post very well

You said I could not include anything else so they will get kind of heavy without a holster or a sling but that is okay. Can I tuck the revolver in my belt.... Do I get a belt or am I only allowed to wear the winter coat, rain coat and two pairs of boots? One would think you could have pants and maybe some drawers...

That would be some kind of topo map to cover the whole country like that. Also what does this mean?

a very small toolbox, including a firearm cleaning kit and a few spares for your firearms

It could change my answer...
We are only discussing the handguns you would choose, nothing else.

 

[The Bushmaster]

O K...Simple...S&W Model 617 in 6" dress and S&W Model 66 in 4" dress...