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bass806
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I've taken the 4 day defensive pistol course. I could not be more pleased. I've posted on the experience before. The instruction is top notch and the instructors are professional and very experienced. Alot of people talk about the owner and his affiliations- I too could care less. You will more than likely not see him and you will certainly not hear any religeous rhetoric. I plan to go back and take the rifle and shotgun classes. Some tips if you go:
1. Stay in Pahrump, the drive to Vegas after class will get old.
2. Take a good holster and mag holder.
3. Take as many mags as you can.
4. Buy your ammo in Vegas on the way to Pahrump.
Hope this helps. Feel free to IM me if you need any more info.
Randy
1. Stay in Pahrump, the drive to Vegas after class will get old.
2. Take a good holster and mag holder.
3. Take as many mags as you can.
4. Buy your ammo in Vegas on the way to Pahrump.
Hope this helps. Feel free to IM me if you need any more info.
Randy
ArfinGreebly
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+1 Stay in Pahrump
Las Vegas is in CLark County, the only part of Nevada where they actually register handguns. If you plan to stay for any length of time, you would need to obtain a "blue card" from the sheriff or Metro PD.
Vegas really has nothing you want unless you're a geek, in which case Fry's Electronics is on the South end of town, just off I-15.
If you need a reference for "transporting" firearms through Vegas (opinion letter from the AG down there), just holler, and I'll dig it up.
Please also report on your training experience after you've been. I've had some thoughts about going myself.
Las Vegas is in CLark County, the only part of Nevada where they actually register handguns. If you plan to stay for any length of time, you would need to obtain a "blue card" from the sheriff or Metro PD.
Vegas really has nothing you want unless you're a geek, in which case Fry's Electronics is on the South end of town, just off I-15.
If you need a reference for "transporting" firearms through Vegas (opinion letter from the AG down there), just holler, and I'll dig it up.
Please also report on your training experience after you've been. I've had some thoughts about going myself.
1911_Mitch
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Training is well worth it.
I have taken a 4 day handgun, 2 day handgun, 2 day rifle. All excellent.
I like to stay in Vegas the first two nights or so, and then stay in Parump on the last nights, and then start home on the evening after the class.
I try to take everything I need, except food. Take a cooler with cold beverages, and remember sunscreen and a hat. Oh, and plenty of ammo.
Their ammo requirements are accurate.
I have taken a 4 day handgun, 2 day handgun, 2 day rifle. All excellent.
I like to stay in Vegas the first two nights or so, and then stay in Parump on the last nights, and then start home on the evening after the class.
I try to take everything I need, except food. Take a cooler with cold beverages, and remember sunscreen and a hat. Oh, and plenty of ammo.
Their ammo requirements are accurate.
Frontsight
I have been taking classes at Frontsight now for 10.5 years. I started in 1996. I have taken over 120 classes over the years. Handgun, Rifle, Shotgun, Submachine gun, Tactics. Force On Force. The quality of training is very very good. I know what Dr Piazzas affeliations are and in the years i have known him not once have I been approached about them nor any of my friends that shoot there for nearly as long as I have been a member.
I have taken courses at other schools and learned things that I didn't get at FS. But the basics they teach there and what they offer are well worth the price and time.
I have been taking classes at Frontsight now for 10.5 years. I started in 1996. I have taken over 120 classes over the years. Handgun, Rifle, Shotgun, Submachine gun, Tactics. Force On Force. The quality of training is very very good. I know what Dr Piazzas affeliations are and in the years i have known him not once have I been approached about them nor any of my friends that shoot there for nearly as long as I have been a member.
I have taken courses at other schools and learned things that I didn't get at FS. But the basics they teach there and what they offer are well worth the price and time.
Sweatnbullets
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Find a certificate..... check E-bay. Of I could sell you one for a four day entry level course for $100 plus shipping and paypal. ($108)
You may want to make sure Iggy's boys will be there before purchasing. New info re the class action lawsuit is pending. Word is that all FS property must be sold to satisfy the court ruling. Of course, Piazza is screwing around and failing to comply. This is a typical Hubbardite tactic.
photo_guy
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I have taken several classes at FS and would say it was definately "worth it" for me. The "worth it" measure depends on where you are coming from - both in terms of training and ability as well as geographical location. It also depends on if you are using time or money as your "worth it" measure.
IMO FS provides a very proffessional, organized set of basic classes that are excellent for anyone who has had little or no previous training. They also have more advanced classes (that I have yet to experience) but that I believe are quite good as well.
If you are in the NV/CA area it believe FS is definately 'worth it' is terms of time invested and, since the cost is relatively low also for the $ stand point.
I am in TX and every class I take requires airfare, rental car, hotel, meals, etc. so that is a higher standard in terms of 'worth it' from both a $ and time perspective. That said, I have taken the 1-day sub-gun class, 4-day defensive hangun, 2 day defensive handgun, 2 day handgun skill builder, 2 day practical rifle, and a 2 day edged weapons class over the past 5 years. For me these were all worth it even with the travel costs. I have always learned something new or increased my capabilities from every class.
[As a side note: regarding FS business practices and other 'issues' I have NEVER had any problems or detected any hint of a hidden agenda while at FS. There is some 'sales pitch' for memberships but it is low-key and can be skipped if you wish. It is not like a timeshare pitch where they block the door and you can't leave until they have beaten you into submission mentally.]
Get a grey certificate (typically less than $100 on ebay) and try your first class. (Note there is also a $50 background check fee per year). If you like it you can go back, if not...hey, a few days of shooting is better than most ways to spend your day.
IMO FS provides a very proffessional, organized set of basic classes that are excellent for anyone who has had little or no previous training. They also have more advanced classes (that I have yet to experience) but that I believe are quite good as well.
If you are in the NV/CA area it believe FS is definately 'worth it' is terms of time invested and, since the cost is relatively low also for the $ stand point.
I am in TX and every class I take requires airfare, rental car, hotel, meals, etc. so that is a higher standard in terms of 'worth it' from both a $ and time perspective. That said, I have taken the 1-day sub-gun class, 4-day defensive hangun, 2 day defensive handgun, 2 day handgun skill builder, 2 day practical rifle, and a 2 day edged weapons class over the past 5 years. For me these were all worth it even with the travel costs. I have always learned something new or increased my capabilities from every class.
[As a side note: regarding FS business practices and other 'issues' I have NEVER had any problems or detected any hint of a hidden agenda while at FS. There is some 'sales pitch' for memberships but it is low-key and can be skipped if you wish. It is not like a timeshare pitch where they block the door and you can't leave until they have beaten you into submission mentally.]
Get a grey certificate (typically less than $100 on ebay) and try your first class. (Note there is also a $50 background check fee per year). If you like it you can go back, if not...hey, a few days of shooting is better than most ways to spend your day.
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WeedWhacker
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Of course not! The prospective customers/victims have guns! ;D
On topic: what sort of information does FS require from customers? Would I be able to walk in the door with a "grey certificate" with my ammo boxes and firearms and take a course? Else, do they require a lot of personal information such as names, addresses, ID numbers, fingerprints, bitemarks, etc.?
I live in the area, but I want as little as possible to do with ... that religious cult. If they didn't have anything other than my mugshot to go off of, though, it might be worth considering a class.
photo_guy
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As I recall you need to provide the usual name, address, phone#, etc. plus drivers licence number. You also need to agree for them to run a background check(and pay $50 for that). Finally, they require registration 2 weeks prior to the class.
The sign-up form and class info is on their webpage.
WeedWhacker
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Bah, and someone'd *just* mentioned the background check. A background check involves a boatload of personal info, to include things such as place of birth, mother's maiden name, and several other choice tidbits useful for shady types to do shady things with.
All to take a class offered by a private individual. Hm.
A background check involves a boatload of personal info, to include things such as place of birth, mother's maiden name, and several other choice tidbits useful for shady types to do shady things with.All to take a class offered by a private individual. Hm.
possum
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forgive me i am lost what is up or supposed to be up with the folks running front sight, please tell me all the gossip, this is a first one on me. thanks!
It's over
No details yet:
http://frontsightlitigation.com/
The Honorable James Ward, United States District Judge has approved a preliminary settlement in this litigation. If you have a Front Sight membership, you could be part of the settlement class. Please follow the link below to submit your contact information.
No details yet:
http://frontsightlitigation.com/
The Honorable James Ward, United States District Judge has approved a preliminary settlement in this litigation. If you have a Front Sight membership, you could be part of the settlement class. Please follow the link below to submit your contact information.
Rick_Eabos
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don't spend $$ on a membership
until you know for sure that the property is to be sold. Escrow on the original sale was supposed to close on December 8, and did not. Rumor has it that he gave the buyers another 90 days, but if anyone here has bought a home, you know that if escrow doesn't close on time, the seller gets to keep the down payment for keeping the home off the market for the duration of the escrow. You think Piazza is gonna turn down an easy $100K? You actually think that there's a sale in progress?
Rumor also has it that the #2 guy, who allegedly owns 3% of the company, is being told he has to come up with 3% of the settlement (around $240K). If the property is to be sold, what's $240K when we're talking about over $8M??? Think Piazza is royally screwing the one guy who's stood by him for the last 11 years??? What makes him different from every other person who's dealt with Piazza? Poor dumb schmuck.
The training is excellent. The sales bull**** is not.
until you know for sure that the property is to be sold. Escrow on the original sale was supposed to close on December 8, and did not. Rumor has it that he gave the buyers another 90 days, but if anyone here has bought a home, you know that if escrow doesn't close on time, the seller gets to keep the down payment for keeping the home off the market for the duration of the escrow. You think Piazza is gonna turn down an easy $100K? You actually think that there's a sale in progress?
Rumor also has it that the #2 guy, who allegedly owns 3% of the company, is being told he has to come up with 3% of the settlement (around $240K). If the property is to be sold, what's $240K when we're talking about over $8M??? Think Piazza is royally screwing the one guy who's stood by him for the last 11 years??? What makes him different from every other person who's dealt with Piazza? Poor dumb schmuck.
The training is excellent. The sales bull**** is not.
ArfinGreebly
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nanuq
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Knock it off with the religion bashing.
You absolutely do not want to start down that road. You want to argue religions and churches, take it outside.
It's about the training, its validity, and its value.
I don't give a damn if the guy's a certified Moonie.
If a Buddhist, a Jew, or a Mormon can teach me how to shoot, when to shoot, and when to not, and do a good job of it, he can have my money.
I've worked in rehab and education alongside people from pretty much every major religion out there, including the one you're trying to knock. I've had great experiences with all of them.
Keep your prejudices to yourself and off The High Road.
Look.
Knock it off with the religion bashing.
You absolutely do not want to start down that road. You want to argue religions and churches, take it outside.
It's about the training, its validity, and its value.
I don't give a damn if the guy's a certified Moonie.
If a Buddhist, a Jew, or a Mormon can teach me how to shoot, when to shoot, and when to not, and do a good job of it, he can have my money.
I've worked in rehab and education alongside people from pretty much every major religion out there, including the one you're trying to knock. I've had great experiences with all of them.
Keep your prejudices to yourself and off The High Road.
We don't discuss politics or religion here. Since the members can't seem to stay on topic, this thread is done.
Jeff
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