Full Auto BB Gun in Manassas, Va

[DougCxx]

The old full-auto BB guns that ran off of cans of car freon were made by Larc.
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[cordex]

FWIW, I saw a Drozd at Plainfield Shooters' Supply not too long ago.

 

[zahc]

Gimme one and I'll find a way to hook it upto a 20oz Co2 with a Palmer Stabilizer and make a big hopper for it. I wonder how it works actually.

 

[Bigjake]

Ah, palmer regs, "the greatest fighting implement ever devised" (for paintball ) them things do wonders for any paintgun.

Seriously though, after browing through that site with the miniguns, for the price i'd much rather have one that spews .22's that fast!

 

[mini14jac]

Sportsman's Guide has them for $199.

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/cb/cb.asp?a=91887

 

[hso]

Played with one at Guncraft night-before-last and we had a "blast" shooting at maniquins.

 

[Futo Inu]

My Drodz is a kick in the pants, and was an impulse purchase at $179.99 plus tax at H&H gun range. It really steals the show at the gun range, albeit only shooting at 2 liter bottles at 5-10 yards. Very fun.

 

[CollinLeon]

Back when the 1 lb freon cans were cheap, the freon powered full auto BB gun sounded like a good idea... Maybe not all that practical due to the minimal velocity that you got out of it... If you could get one that would go full auto with 1000 fps and could hook up to a small SCUBA tank that you could wear on your back, now THAT might be interesting... I'm not sure if the CO2 tanks would give you the necessary velocity, even though buying CO2 in 20 lb refills is definitely cheaper per volume of gas than getting a SCUBA tank refilled.

 

[il_10]

From the sound of it, the Freon powered guns were basically strafers.
There are a couple companies making them for airsoft and bb gun use:
http://www.xcalibertactical.com/products/strafer/index.html

But if you want one, they're really simple to make yourself. The vortex block is the heart of these things, and you can make them out of whatever material you have around. The rest is just pvc pipe and an air compressor or SCUBA or c02 hookup.

http://kuba-t1000.com/minigun/index.php?akcja=tutorials_airsoft_strafer

The problem with these designs is the ROF. It's uncontrollable, and many consider it to be way too high. Even as cheap as airsoft or .177 bbs are, if you're shooting thousands of them a minute it gets a little pricey. They use compressed air to shoot, but it's also unregulated. They function by building up air pressure in the unit and dumping it straight out the barrel, picking up bbs as they go. It's pretty inefficient. So with a compressed liquid based gas (propane, freon, to a lesser degree c02 etc.), you run into cool-down really quickly, which drops the pressure, which loses you velocity.
I've seen them on airsoft fields mocked up as flamethrowers, which is really more appropriate than a "rifle" build this way. They just spray bb's out, it's not controlled full auto like we think of it.

Also, this thread is from 2003. So there's that.

 

[Chrontius]

This thread was from 2003... and times have changed.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2010/08/02/the-gas-sub-machine-gun-gsmg/

P90 style two-stage trigger, cheap magazines with the option to use bulk-fed BBs soon after release, and a paintball style tank in back so you're not eating powerlets like jellybeans. Also so you're not suffering from CO2 cooldown with irritating rapidity... and you can probably use a HPA tank if you own one.

I'd take one of these over the Drozd any day... and I've got an optic and a 4oz Brass Eagle CO2 tank, with their original "I swear it's a stock" caps on it, just waiting for these to get released.

 

[LS240]

Meh. There's a huge selection of more interesting looking fully-automatic airsoft rifles available for less than that, and they actually serve a purpose. You can use them for airsoft games and have a lot more fun than just shooting BBs at targets. They're cheaper to shoot too, with most being electric(no gas to buy and use up), with BBs being cheaper. That's just my opinion at least.

 

[Flash!]

wow.... this was an old thread revived..... but check out drozdmax.com...... you can do all kinds of cool mods to these including HPA tanks for more power.... I have the blackbird with the full auto mod chip..... lots of fun!

 

[Whiskey11]

My CO2/HPA powered "BB" gun:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oq0h1Qm49lg

Interesting concept for an airsoft gun, now converted to dual regulator setup. I hate my Palmer's regulator, it's a horribly unreliable regulator. Mine has some horrible machining on the inside and in general is just bad. I will be replacing it when I stop spending money on my R700 (YEAH RIGHT! ).

That gun is fun and interesting, recoils, tears down like an AR, lower looks like an AR, upper is close to an AR, bolt looks like an AR bolt, even takes some real AR parts (not trigger groups despite how close they are). So close that at one point and time the ATF banned their import for fear of them being converted to fire live ammo which was later disproven. Fun toy, not much more than that.

However, I concur, there are numerous airsoft guns that shoot plastic BB's (of which you can get biodegradable types!) that will do full auto reliably up to about 30 BB's/sec with some upgrades and a quality battery, or you can go the ultra realistic style like I went.

Personally, I've lost my airsoft bug after 6 years of being active in it. Too many kids showing up and their parents leaving us to babysit them. I don't have time to babysit kids for parents so I'm moving away from it. Hence why I just dumped my tax return into the 700

 

[bozzman3]

http://bb.bbboy.net/straferbbmachinegunownersgroup

 

[bozzman3]

http://www.mp661k.com/

 

[bozzman3]

http://www.drozdmax.com/

 

[fcthompson]

Automatic BB guns (hand cranked) used to be sold in adds in the back of comic books (1950's) and you could attach it to your bicycle handle bars.

 

[Logan5]

I bought my Drozd just because of that, the long, long drought between when the one I forget the name of (Green gas, Capstick did a write up, they used to sell them in the Guns&Ammo classifieds?) and the next burst capable BB gun I saw. The Red Ryder is still the most fun BB gun I own, just because the Drozd has you fooling with 12 grams, AA batteries, and reloading the spring loaded BB magazine, but the Drozd is 2nd. Of course, I haven't tried that Umarex Steel Storm, and now there's the Drozd Blackbird with the 400 round hopper, and a couple more along the same lines.

ETA: The M-19A, that's the one I was thinking of.

 

[frankenstein406]

My CO2/HPA powered "BB" gun:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oq0h1Qm49lg

Interesting concept for an airsoft gun, now converted to dual regulator setup. I hate my Palmer's regulator, it's a horribly unreliable regulator. Mine has some horrible machining on the inside and in general is just bad. I will be replacing it when I stop spending money on my R700 (YEAH RIGHT! ).

That gun is fun and interesting, recoils, tears down like an AR, lower looks like an AR, upper is close to an AR, bolt looks like an AR bolt, even takes some real AR parts (not trigger groups despite how close they are). So close that at one point and time the ATF banned their import for fear of them being converted to fire live ammo which was later disproven. Fun toy, not much more than that.

However, I concur, there are numerous airsoft guns that shoot plastic BB's (of which you can get biodegradable types!) that will do full auto reliably up to about 30 BB's/sec with some upgrades and a quality battery, or you can go the ultra realistic style like I went.

Personally, I've lost my airsoft bug after 6 years of being active in it. Too many kids showing up and their parents leaving us to babysit them. I don't have time to babysit kids for parents so I'm moving away from it. Hence why I just dumped my tax return into the 700

Go aka if you want a good reg. sindwinder is amazing. use an adjustable hpa tank reg and a good reg. pm if you need help.