Full auto conversion information legal?

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I am NOT looking to convert any weapon to full auto, but I am wondering about all these books I see which explain how to convert an ak/ar/uzi/mac10/etc. to select fire and full auto.

Are these books legal and is it still legal to convert any of these guns to full auto... like if they were pre 1986 or something?
 
Books, no matter what information may be contained within them, are legal under the First Amendment to the Constitution of these here United States of America.

As for the rest, I dunno. Moving this over to L&P so folks can wrangle about it properly and give you educated wrong information. ;)

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To the best of my knowledge.....

The books are legal. I'm not aware of any books being illegal.
It is illegal to change a post ban 86 weapon to full auto.

I would assume can't say for sure that a pre ban would already be select fire.

I briefly looked into this subject when I purchased my SAR 1

Even though it is illegal to do, information is always nice to have.
 
Is it time yet?

The first and second amendments are still the law of the land. All books and arms are still legal. You may have some dificulty convincing certain tyrants holding you in jail however.
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Are these books legal and is it still legal to convert any of these guns to full auto... like if they were pre 1986 or something?

The books are legal. Converting any semiautomatic to full auto is illegal because the '86 ban prevents you from registering the machinegun with ATF. Essentially, you are arrested for possessing an un-taxed machinegun.

One other thing of note. If you possess a semiautomatic firearm and the parts to convert it to full auto, even if they are not installed, ATF considers you in possession of an unregistered machinegun.
 
Books are protected under the First Amendment. That's why we just can't shut down the neighborhood porn shop.

However, a book on converting firearms, plus a full auto part and the firearm can be used as evidence of "intent" to convert (illicitly) a semiautomatic firearm to full auto. So, it's the gubmint attorney trying to convince the jury that you're a bad guy and you're attorney trying to convince that same jury that it's academic only and there was no intent.
 
Yup. Also, the ATF considers a semiautomatic weapon with even a single machinegun part (such as an AR-15 with an M16 bolt carrier) to be a machinegun, even if the weapon is not capable of firing full-auto. Nice, huh?

- Chris
Not quite accurate. The AR-15 is a special case in which having a single auto part is considered to be illegal.

HKs are an example of the rest. There's no legal problem installing the auto bolt carrier. The semi sear and trigger are no different for a semi as an auto.
 
"Would the SP1 (Colt's AR15A1 variant) be illegal, because it came standard with a M16 bolt carrier, IIRC? "

That depends. It is illegal if they say it is illegal. If "they" are out to get you, they will find something. And contrary to the spirit this country was founded on, it will be up to you to prove it isn't illegal in court. This isn't to say that "they" will come looking for you to see if you have an M16 bolt carrier in your rifle, but if they end up looking at your SP1, odds are you are in trouble.

I have a pre-ban SGW AR15 that had a lot of M16 parts in it. I completely replaced all the lower receiver fire control parts and replaced the bolt. Actually I bought this gun from a Class III dealer. I replaced all the parts before I even took it home; even before I paid him for it. This was never a full auto gun, it just had some full auto parts in it, as did many early AR15s. I am not giving "them" any rope to hang me with.
 
Are you guys sure all books are legal and protected? I thought anything that convinces or perswades someone to do something illegal, is illegal. If i wrote a book and told everyone to break several laws can't the gov come after me?

As for machine guns, i understood the law as "if one part is a machinegun, the whole gun is a machine gun." It makes sence but sucks if the part doesn't make it a full auto.
 
I'm pretty sure it's illegal for a licenced gun dealer to tell you how to do an illegal conversion.

I keep the drilling template and parts to convert my AKs to full auto at a friend's house who doesn't own one. He keeps the full auto m-16 parts at my house since I don't own an AR-15. Nice and legal that way.
 
M16 Parts in AR-15....the ATF answer

ATF has encountered various AR-15 type assault rifles such as those manufactured by Colt, E.A. Company, SGW, Sendra and others, which have been assembled with fire control components designed for use in M16 machineguns. The vast majority of these rifles which have been assembled with an M16 bolt carrier, hammer, trigger, disconnector and selector will fire automatically merely by manipulation of the selector or removal of the disconnector. Many of these rifles using less than the five M16 parts listed above also will shoot automatically by manipulation of the selector or removal of the disconnector.


Any weapon which shoots automatically, more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger, is a machinegun as defined in 26 U.S.C. 5845(b), the National Firearms Act (NFA). In addition, the definition of a machinegun also includes any combination of parts from which a machinegun may be assembled, if such parts are in possession or under the control of a person. An AR-15 type assault rifle which fires more than one shot by a single function of the trigger is a machinegun under the NFA. Any machinegun is subject to the NFA and the possession of an unregistered machinegun could subject the possessor to criminal prosecution.


Additionally, these rifles could pose a safety hazard in that they may fire automatically without the user being aware that the weapon will fire more than one shot with a single pull of the trigger.


In order to avoid violations of the NFA, M16 hammers, triggers, disconnectors, selectors and bolt carriers must not be used in assembly of AR-15 type semiautomatic rifles, unless the M16 parts have been modified to AR-15 Model SP1 configuration. Any AR-15 type rifles which have been assembled with M16 internal components should have those parts removed and replaced with AR-15 Model SP1 type parts which are available commercially. The M16 components also may be modified to AR-15 Model SP1 configuration.

http://www.atf.gov/pub/fire-explo_pub/complete.htm


Naturally, ATF does not provide a definate answer. Typical, maybe - maybe not
 
Don't Bushies also come with a full auto carrier? I know Colts all have the cutout now, but I thought Bushmaster was still shipping the "proper" carrier.
 
Uh... Stupid question... If you have a Bushy, and the JBTs kick your door in, and they drag it out (after the press conference) and run a few cans of rounds through it until it's so grunged that it'll slam fire through a whole mag, is it a machinegun?
 
The Bushmaster bolt is probably cut back far enough on the bottom side so as not to trip the auto sear. My Armalite bolt is cut likewise and won't trip an auto sear.

Later Colt bolts have the cutout extend all the way back, as you said.
 
I just got a Colt M4 upper with 16" barrel. Anyone know if these come with a full-auto or Sporter bolt carrier? How do you tell the difference?
 
I had a funny incident with an old .22 I bought at a garage sale once. I took it home to try it out and it would empty the entire tube magazine with one pull of the trigger. So I took it to a local 'smith and left it for him to repair. The day I went to pick it up he saw me and immediately told me to "never come to my shop again" ! I asked what was wrong ? Did you fix it ? He replied "someone had filed on the sear and trigger group", and I was in violation of such and such laws. He was implying that I did it, and he was going to call the cops. I hid that rifle in mom's attic and I havn't seen it since. (15 yrs.):D
 
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