Full text of Feinstein's bill

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The extent of the bill is quite dramatic.

The 5 round limit on fixed magazine shotguns, and complete ban on those that accept detachable magazines (no other features required) for example is not something that would go unnoticed.
Extended magazine tube semi auto shotguns are banned.
Even those with under a 5 round capacity cannot have a tactical stock/vertical grip or become assault weapons, and those are some of the more common configurations now.


It also turns a pistol with a threaded barrel into an assault weapon.
I imagine that would have some impact on many people. That would for the most part end pistols coming threaded from the factory, and reduce how many such barrels were available.

It would also make it more difficult on those that wanted a sound suppressor and went through the NFA process where available.
Those people wanting to purchase one or a couple they can swap between a larger number of guns would have it difficult. Every pistol with a threaded barrel would be an assault weapon, and threading a barrel or adding a threaded barrel to make use of the suppressor on another firearm would constitute manufacture of an assault weapon.
The implications on the Sound Suppressor market are quite large, especially if the public can no longer purchase or manufacture new assault weapons and as a result cannot purchase new pistols with threaded barrels nor thread thier own without illegal manufacture to use thier legal NFA device.
Sound suppressors would become much less versatile and be limited to pre-ban pistols which already had threaded barrels and were considered grandfathered assault weapons.

It's a lot like what we have in CA.
No it is much worse actually. In a few ways including but not limited to:
More banned by name firearms, including many currently legal in the proper configuration.
5 round capacity limit on semi auto shotguns, in CA it is 10.

As well as the fact that things like bullet buttons, odd pistol grip modifications, etc came about through interpretations of CA law that had various precedents that legitimized them at the state level.
Bullet buttons for example legal at the state level because a fixed magazine was defined as requiring a tool to remove, and then the state government further defining a tool to mean just about anything.
This combination is what allowed bullet buttoned firearms to be considered fixed magazine firearms, as long as it takes something other than a finger it takes a tool as defined by the state government.
Definitions that do not exist at the federal level.
So whether such work arounds would even be feasible or would be specifically prohibited legislatively or ruled not to comply by a federal court and unavailable is unknown.
If unavailable the national restrictions would as a result be much more severe in reducing what firearm models are available than the CA state restrictions now.
It is a misleading assumption that such things would be deemed legal nationally, they are unique to CA law at this point.
Additionally if they were not legal work arounds nationally it could actually make those currently held firearms in CA that are not Assault Weapons at the state level Assault Weapons at the national level. So some firearms in non Assault Weapon CA configurations may still be defined as federal Assault Weapons, grandfathered for those who have them federally, and legal at the state level if they remain in the proper configuration as non-state Assault Weapons, but no longer available new in configurations that can comply with state law because federally they couldn't sell something new deemed a federal Assault Weapon even if it wasn't considered an assault weapon by CA law.
 
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As i read it, every Glock is an assault weapon. See p2 line18, p3, line17, and p4 line 1, as all are arguably versions of the G18. Am i missing something?
 
I will have to search for a link, but I have read that the G18 has different internal parts and a frame and slide that are not interchangeable with the G17. Furthermore, I have read that the G18 was specifically designed with differences from the G17 to avoid restrictions in countries that do not allow civilian ownership of semiautomatic variants of full-auto weapons.
 
Interesting. Thanks for those good points. I certainly would have thought they shared more in common.

My quick research indicates you are right about many of the key components not interchanging. However, thy do use the same magazine, if Wikipedia is to be believed. Is magazine commonality along with similar frame materials, sharing of some internals enough to constitute a "version"? I certainly don't know. But considering that the ATF commonly defines small, non-descript, by-themself-useless pieces of metal as firearms, I wouldn't be resting easy if (a) I was a glock owner and (b) I thought this law was going to pass.
 
Assault Weapon Ban

I am new to this site and blogs in general, is there any way you could give or gift hi cap mags to family members or anyone else?
 
Assault Weapon Ban

I am new to this site and blogs in general, is there any way you could give or gift hi cap mags to family members or anyone else?
 
She may be on her way out but there are plenty to take her place. John Kerry and the "Bradey Bunch" and who knows how many.
When Kerry was running for president they made a big deal when he purched an OH nonresident hunting permit and a migratory game bird stamp. They showed him firing a shotgun. I wondered if he was aiming at anything or just for show. I wonder if he had to ask forgivence from the other of his type.
 
My Winchester 140, Remington 721, Winchester 1906, Swiss K31, and Moisin Nagant didn't make the "good" list. It appears that some staffer compiled this list using a catalog of currently available firearms.
 
This would also ban the "broomhandle" mauser if I'm not mistaken. I don't know where she got the idea that banning barrel shrouds will reduce violence. What it will do however, is leave gun owners with burnt hands.
 
10/22plinker said:
. . . . I don't know where she got the idea that banning barrel shrouds will reduce violence. What it will do however, is leave gun owners with burnt hands.
Or create a boom in demand for gloves.
 
I am new to this site and blogs in general, is there any way you could give or gift hi cap mags to family members or anyone else?
Not with the way it's worded. This would be very difficult to impossible to enforce though, as mags are not serial numbered. One way around this may be through the establishment of a trust....I saw no wording about them in that bill.
 
No Exception for Family

I thought I'd heard, maybe it was Schumer, say at one point in the last day or so, that the grand father clause would include an exception for immediate family members.

I just got done reading this entire monstrosity and didn't see anything of the sort.

The only exception I saw was for essentially sharing a gun at the shooting range.

Did anyone else notice that? I certainly don't expect my son to have to go through an FFL transfer when I keel over and he takes possession of my collection.
 
This would also ban the "broomhandle" mauser if I'm not mistaken. I don't know where she got the idea that banning barrel shrouds will reduce violence. What it will do however, is leave gun owners with burnt hands.

Most of the barrel shroud stuff always seemed to me to be based on the TEC-9 and how evil it was considered in the 90s.
 
RobXD9 said:
I thought I'd heard, maybe it was Schumer, say at one point in the last day or so, that the grand father clause would include an exception for immediate family members.

There is no family exception in Feinstein's bill. Schumer's bill (S.436) from the prior session of Congress included an exception for family members and the background check section of Schumer's prior bill is incorporated in Rep. Moran's bill (H.R.137) in the current session of Congress. Schumer is smart enough to know that a family exception will persuade most gun owners that universal background checks are okay.
 
A more extreme bill could work in our favor.

Many gun owners are apathetic when we are nickel and dimed.... this worries me much more than a proposed bill that would for example implement a confiscation program.
 
Feinstein's bill reflects serious overreach and even her actual bill was dialed back from her initial summary of its contents. Part of the danger in Feinstein's bill is that it makes other proposals that we would otherwise reject look reasonable by comparison. The anti-gunners want us to gratefully 'compromise' on something less than the most draconian restrictions possible.
 
gc70 wrote:
There is no family exception in Feinstein's bill. Schumer's bill (S.436) from the prior session of Congress included an exception for family members and the background check section of Schumer's prior bill is incorporated in Rep. Moran's bill (H.R.137) in the current session of Congress. Schumer is smart enough to know that a family exception will persuade most gun owners that universal background checks are okay.

Thank you.
 
Damn, now I'm going to have to get rid of all of my semi-auto shotgun rocket launchers? This goes too far... :rolleyes:
 
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