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Fully armed Nazi bomber planes 'buried below East Berlin airport'

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  1. Drizzt

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    Fully armed Nazi bomber planes 'buried below East Berlin airport'

    ALLAN HALL IN BERLIN


    AN AIRPORT used by hundreds of thousands of tourists and business travellers each year could be sitting on top of thousands of live bombs.

    Papers among thousands of files captured from the Stasi, the secret police of East Germany, claim tons of live Second World War munitions were buried in concrete bunkers beneath the runways of Schoenefeld airport in East Berlin. It is now the main destination for discount airlines, such as Ryanair, and numerous charter companies.

    Not only did the commissars intern munitions beneath the runways, but also entire Nazi fighter planes, all fuelled and fully bombed-up, according to the Stasi.

    The captured files of Interflug, the former East German government airline and the airport authority of the DDR, are now being examined to see if the Stasi claim is true.

    Experts believe it entirely feasible that, in the aftermath of the Second World War, with Berlin littered with millions of tons of unexploded ordnance, the Soviets could well have pressured local officials to move to clear the airfield as swiftly as possible.

    "They would have stuffed them anywhere they could - there was simply too much stuff to blow up all at once," said Karl-Heinz Eckhardt, a Berlin historian. "There was a warren of massive Nazi bunkers beneath the site of the present airport that would have suited their purposes."

    City authorities claim the airport is perfectly safe, but a thorough check on the claims in the Stasi files - 140 km of them that will still take a number of years to decipher - is being undertaken.

    Nearly two million passengers a year pass through Schoenefeld. According to the Stasi files, the ammunition was buried in bunkers between eight and nine metres deep.

    A spokesman for the airport said: "We became aware of the bunkers in 1993, four years after the fall of the [Berlin] Wall. A check was undertaken then and everything was determined to be safe."

    But he conceded that he was astounded at the claims that fully-fuelled and bombed-up aircraft lie beneath the runways and said new tests about the safety of the structures will be carried out.

    He added: "We had no idea that so much ordnance is supposedly under there."

    Frank Henkel, the Conservative interior ministry spokesman, said: "This must be investigated thoroughly and immediately and the runways strengthened if necessary."

    Berlin, with its sandy, dry soil, was perfect for the bunker-building of the Third Reich. Hundreds of thousands of them were constructed during the 12-year lifespan of the Nazi government: for every one metre of building above ground in modern-day Berlin, there are three metres below ground.

    Bunkers are being discovered every day and a group called Underground Berlin has turned several of them into tourist attractions.

    http://news.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=792292003
     
  2. blades67

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    I'll take one Me111, please!:evil: :cool:
     
  3. El Tejon

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    Man, the commies save everything.

    I went to grad skul with a Refusnik who "avoided" the dreaded dedyushka system of punishment in the Soviet/Russian army, by going into the "civil engineers." Because he was a Jew, he was beaten and put in a labour battalion with "other" Asians (have to know the New Soviet Army, this is the utopia that the Left here seeks to recreate).

    Part of his gig included building large warehouses and filling them with WWII battlefield pickups for the Great Patriotic War--STILL (this would have been the mid to late '80s).:eek:
     
  4. blades67

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    :eek: :what: :eek: Still?!
     
  5. Mike Irwin

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    "millions of tons"?

    I sort of doubt those amounts in Berlin, but millions of pounds? Oh yeah.

    There's a department of the French Ministry of the Interior that's still clearing unexploded munitions from land that's been closed since World War I!

    A couple of years ago they had at least one guy severely injured when a gas shell detonated as they were moving it.

    Deep construction projects in much of Europe are always a bit on the dicy side, and it's not unusual for farmers every year to unearth unexploded ordnance. Sometimes they even are injured or killed when one goes off as they're plowing.
     
  6. TheeBadOne

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    I'll take an MG-42 ;)
     
  7. CB900F

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    Blades67;

    I think I'll take an ME 111 also, as they are EXTREMLY rare.

    900F
     
  8. Stickjockey

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    Heck, I'd settle for a Bf 109 or Fw 190...

    Me 262?
     
  9. 4v50 Gary

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    Reserve the following for me:

    Me109 - any model, beggars y'know
    FW190 - again, any model
    JU88 - Wonder bomber
    He-111 - mainstain of the Luftwaffe bomber force
    He-177 - OK, engine overheating, but why not?
    FW-200 Kondor
    Me-262 - nostalgia, who wouldn't want the first operational jet fighter
    Arado 234 - and might as well have the bomber
    Fi-Storch - land in the width of a tennis court. Come down like Rommel would.
    Ju-52 - Good old Auntie Ju. Germany's answer to the Ford Tri-motor.
    Ju-87 Stuka, but I want the sirens mounted back on.

    Oh, besides sitting atop of a minor EOD problem, they're also sitting atop of a gold mine. Hopefully that Av-gas didn't corrode through the tanks and ruin the airframes.
     
  10. Sylvilagus Aquaticus

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    Maybe there's a Schwimmwagen or two in there, too. I'd even take a Kubelwagen...I'm not picky.

    Besides, if it's full of Panzerfausts....

    Regards,
    Rabbit.
     
  11. TheeBadOne

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    As far as aircraft, if you're a jet fan sure a ME-262 would do, but for prop planes I'd love a Focke-Wulf Ta 152C (the "Super Focke-Wulf)!

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    I wouldn't be too surprised if there are several tons of stuff hidden under Schoenefeld. The communists were apparently notorious packrats where old weapons were concerned.

    As for unexploded ordnance in general, there's still a lot of it buried. Most western european army bomb disposal teams deal with several WWII bombs per year (the bombs usually turn up during construction work). In Belgium and France they have the additional problem of WWI explosive and chemical shells. Until fairly recently the belgian army had a large storage site just south of the dutch border where they stored the shells they dug up. These were either explosive or filled with fosgene or mustard gas. Unfortunately determining precisely what they were filled with isn't easy to and given their age they were generally in poor state. The dutch government wasn't pleased it took the belgians so long to set up a destruction facility.

    Apparently every couple of years some poor farmer in Belgium or northern France is blown up when his plow blades set off an artillery shell. There's also been a case of a (war) cemetary where all of a sudden all the plants died. Excavations turned up a leaking chemical shell.

    Cheers,
    ErikM :evil:
     
  13. CWL

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    Heck, there's a fully-functional Pz-IV in some guy's cellar in Berlin. At the end of WWII, this guy drove his tank into his cellar and built over it. He still fires it up and shows it off to collectors, but you can't move it without demolishing his house. A local collector here in CA has options on it when he kicks over.

    A friend of mine in Hungary has german weapons plastered into his home's ceiling back from WWII days.

    Leftover munitions from WW-One still turns up quite often in Europe.
     
  14. Schuey2002

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    Put me down for a case of Stg 44's.. :)
     
  15. dinosaur

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    Hey, this might drive the used tank market into the toilet. Maybe now I can get a slightly used Leopard for 0 down and $219 a month.:D The front yard has been missing something since I threw out the birdbath.:banghead:
     
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    Dear Sir or Madame (Herr and Frau?):
    Enclosed is a copy of my Curio and Relics license, and I would like to order ten 'World War II Collectors packs', each consisting of a Luger, P38, MP44, STG44, MG34, MG42, 10 Mausers and packaged in the collectable Panzer tank/shipping container filled to the hatch-tops with ammunition. Please hand-pick all items, especially the Panzer. If you gip me on the handpick, I'll come over there and :cuss: :fire: :cuss: :banghead: :cuss: :cuss: your scrawny neck.

    Sincerely,
    Kharn :D
     
  17. seeker_two

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    Would ME-262's be considered C&R?...:evil:
     
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    We need a "Drooling Homer" smiley for things like this.
     
  19. 4v50 Gary

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    A fully function Pzkw IV in a cellar? :eek: Last time the Pz IV saw combat was as pillboxes on the Golan Heights in '67. If that guy could rent it out to movie or TV production companies, he'd make some $.
     
  20. Gewehr98

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    I'm not greedy...

    Although I'd love to have a Me-262, my first choice would be a He-219 "Uhu" night fighter. Wonder what shipping and handling would cost? :D
     
  21. BerettaNut92

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    A Stuka with the anti tank guns for added tacticality.
     
  22. RustyHammer

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    By the end of WWII, Germany was down to nuts and bolts. Doubt there were many planes left intact. Still, an ME 111 would look awfully nice sitting in my hanger!

    Rusty
     
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    Believe it or not, German aircraft production was at all-time highs at the end of WW II, and there were a ferocious number of air ready aircraft.

    The problem?

    A lack of fuel.
     
  24. 4v50 Gary

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    Not just a shortage of fuel but also of qualified pilots. A lot of the pilots being sent up by '45 were barely trained. Bodenplatte (secret dawn attack on Allied air bases as support for the Rundstedt Offensive) saw to that. The surviving Luftwaffe fighter pilots had to be good just to keep their tails from being shot off by a Mustang, Spitfire or Rooskie Yak or Mig.
     
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    Historically speaking this would be a major coup if true!
     
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