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Funky shootout in Pasadena

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by HI express, Apr 7, 2005.

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  1. HI express

    HI express Member

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    The other day in Pasadena, California, I was talking to one of the officers in the PD Helicopter Service when they got a call out on shots fired.

    On the news a little later, turned out there was a car filled with suspected gang bangers cruising the neighborhood. Undercover officers followed the suspects car. They didn't even get a chance to light up the suspect car when the car stopped and several BGs stepped out and fired at the undercover car. The undercover officers returned fire and a full on shoootout was in progress.

    The area where the BGs stopped is about 10 blocks from the police station so the cavalry arrived shortly and cordoned off the area. The police rounded up six suspects. Several were found hiding in some bushes...no firearms yet, but I heard that a lot of shots were exchanged.

    Yikes. I know a few years back a lot of the beat cops carried Sigs...not sure what caliber. :what:
     
  2. sturmruger

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    Wow that sounds like something out of a movie! If you see any news articles please post.
     
  3. Andrew Rothman

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    I loves me my Google.

    http://www.sgvtribune.com/Stories/0,1413,205~12220~2802849,00.html

     
  4. Andrew Rothman

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    Um, two things occur to me.

    1. Twenty-two shots, no hits?
    2. Why exactly is it fortunate that no suspects were hit by gunfire? Isn't that kind of the point in shooting at bad guys?

    I imagine that the reporter took a little more liberty with paraphrasing than he should have. No cop could really be that, um, clueless?
     
  5. Bear Gulch

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    Further proof that spray and pray doesn't work!
     
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    OK, I guess that proves that the local PD firearms training its every bit as effective as 'hold it sideways and just keep pulling the trigger.'
    It is fortunate for the officers ...and the suspects that no one was hit.
    Ya gotta wonder just where all those shots did go. :scrutiny:
    When you have to shot, no matter who you are, there are two things to think about;
    1. hitting your target
    2. not hitting someone else
    Looks like all involved failed on both counts.
     
  7. q102josh

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    wow california's usurpation of law-abiding citizens' second ammendment rights really showed those thugs
     
  8. Joejojoba111

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    People mock the old volley-fire warfare, but really we should appreciate just how impressive it was. There are even lessons that could be converted to game theory.

    A redcoat would have hit with a musket, and with a modern weapon they would have hit more than once.
     
  9. Hardtarget

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    What I see is when we're involved in a "shoot" we might thinking more about not getting shot than actually shooting our attacker. That may not enhance our chances of surviving the attack. I've never been shot at, so I probably won't do any better. Wonder how we can really practice for this?
    Mark.
     
  10. surr

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    work on moving targets, very close, very fast, in

    poor light. Under fire, you will probably fire just as fast as you can, so learn what you can and can't hit at such speeds. If you are fast enough, you may get a shot or two at a stationary target. If you are too slow, you for sure going to have to hit either a mover or the head of a cover user.
     
  11. scout26

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    Ever try paintball ??? A little imagination (and the right safety gear) and you could come up with some realistic scenario's.....and losing is somewhat painful.
     
  12. No_Brakes23

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    I just went P-balling for the first time 3 weeks ago. While it is somewhat tactical, (You learn about cover real quick.) it isn't a great simulation for the casual player. A lot of guns have sights that are a joke, and they shoot all over the place. A couple of the guys had Full Auto Tippmann A-5s, (The MP-5 of the paintball world,) and those were pretty accurate.

    We played PAINball instead, where you don't call yourself out until it hurts too much. Not realistic, but a much easier learning curve.

    Lots of fun...
     
  13. ajkurp

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    Call me

    Doubting Thomas, but is there any physical evidence that the banger punks had or fired a weapon? There is just too much police malfeasance in this USA for me to immediately buy their version without reservation or physical evidence.

    Yea, my flame suit is on.
     
  14. Standing Wolf

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    Wow. Settles that, I guess.
     
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    So your theory is the cops fired 22 rounds at four unarmed persons - hitting none - then let them run away to be arrested later? You're gonna have to do better than that if you want to compete with some of the other conspiracy theories posted here. :D

    Returning to the topic...

    How available are Simunitions to the general public? And what kind of cost is involved? I've skimmed their website, but couldn't spot any answers...
     
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