funny thing about shopping for first longarm

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Don't own any rifles. I'd like to own one, and I'd mostly use it for target practice. I'm still trying to decide what I'd like to shoot, doing the research, etc.

Lately, I get it into my head that maybe I'd like to own a Robinson Arms XCR. I keep doing searches on "XCR" on various gun-selling sites, which turn up the couple of XCRs that are on the market today, going price is around $1600.

And then, underneath those, are Remington 700 XCRs, going rate more like $800. As if the internet is trying to tell me "you know, bud, you should really invest in a sturdy bolt-action rifle with a decent scope for your first rifle before you go spending your fool money on some fancy tactical thing."
 
Ok, ill point you in the right direction for a first time rifle owner. Take a look at the Savage 10FP series of rifles. Great accuracy, smooth action, low cost and one of the best (if not the best) out of the box triggers on the market. Team that up with a SWFA Super Sniper scope, or a nice Burris and you will have a super rifle set up for about $800-$900.
 
Bonesaw;

I realize that this forum is the internet also, but let me be the first to tell you the same thing here. Good solid bolt gun + real good glass + practice = a long term relationship with many benefits down the road. It may not be tacticool, but so what? You learn to shoot with a bolt gun; too many people just learn to pull the trigger faster with a semi being the first rifle.

900F
 
And then, underneath those, are Remington 700 XCRs, going rate more like $800. As if the internet is trying to tell me "you know, bud, you should really invest in a sturdy bolt-action rifle with a decent scope for your first rifle before you go spending your fool money on some fancy tactical thing."

Well Bonesaw, no need to spend $700 for a good bolt gun and scope either. A Stevens Model 200 (same acation as a Savage M10) can be found for under $300 at the big box stores. Throw on a Burris Fullfield II or Leupold VXI for about $200 and you're set up with a rifle and scope that you pass on to the grandkids. If you wanna get a little fancier Wal-Mart sells base model Remington 700s for $310. Even in, heck, especially in, base model form you don't get much more solid of a new bolt rifle than a Remington 700 or Savage-Stevens M200.

Now if you wanna go with WWI/WWII nostalgia then $100 will get a decent Russian Mosin-Nagant or Yugo Mauser - talk about tough rifles!

For a Plinker/Blaster rifle an AK or SKS would be a fun and economical choice.

At this point I'll ask what you want to do with it. Plinking/blasting, hunting, medium range target, long range target? Let us know what you're thinkin.
 
What, no chorus of "buy a .22 first"?

Not that you're a newbie or anything, but if you're out getting rifle practice anyway...

Don't know about your area, but around here in Austin used Marlin semi-autos and various bolt-actions (including some very good brands) can be had for $50-75.

Wouldn't hurt to add a plinker to your collection for a fraction of what your super-cool rifle will end up costing.

So far as the whole "tactical" thing goes, it just depends what your interest and intent is. Me personally, I'd rather buy an M-4gery and run around at a Carbine match, rather than sit at a bench and shoot one round of .308, squint and fiddle with sandbags, repeat for three hours, etc. To each his own,

-MV
 
Jebus...

What distances are you talking about, and how much do you want to spend? And are you open to getting more than one rifle as long as you stay within budget?
 
I would suggest a bolt action rifle as your first rifle. You learn the most from your first rifle, and you want to start basic so that when you do want to get a selfloading rifle down the line, you can use the knowledge you already have.

I happen to like the old military WWII style rifles, so I got myself a Mauser for my first rifle. It's the smartest gun-related item I've ever bought.
 
i can fix that

Rifles are like prostitutes
It's better not to start with the fully tactical model

:evil:
 
if i was looking to spend that much i would go with a sub moa guaranty. why spend that much money and have a gun manufacture tell 4inch groups is satisfactory out of the box
 
Me personally, I'd rather buy an M-4gery and run around at a Carbine match, rather than sit at a bench and shoot one round of .308, squint and fiddle with sandbags, repeat for three hours, etc.

(Neither one can remotely approach the fun and challenge of shooting clays.)

A $1600 tactoy is a waste of money unless you know what you're going to do with it; for punching paper a 10/22 will do just as well. Robinson is SHOWING OFF targets with 2 MOA groups on them! That's something you can beat with a $300 bolt action. Robinson says their gun is designed to require little cleaning; I have yet to see any semiauto that required as little time and effort to clean as a bolt gun, which also doesn't REQUIRE cleaning unless you want to maximize accuracy and protect against rust -- something you want to do with ANY gun used for anything but shooting cans at slingshot range.

Benchrest shooting doesn't interest me, either, but you gotta sight in your rifle at some point, if you want to hit anything. I don't understand doing that every Saturday. But hey, some guys just want any excuse to get away from their wives, I guess.:p

However, shooting outdoors, NOT at a range, NOT off a bench, NOT from sandbags, and trying to hit something small that's 300 yards away with a bolt gun -- OR an autoloader -- is a lot of fun. It's most fun, of course, if the rifle is capable of groups smaller than your target. Otherwise, you don't know if it's you or the gun that missed.

First thing a new rifle shopper should understand, IMHO: there are gun buyers and there are gun shooters. Many ads appeal to the "buyer" in all of us, but the real fun, in the long term, comes from actually shooting the gun, and doing it well, no matter what gun it is. The most satisfying and fun guns to shoot will be the ones that you take with you somewhere; the ones that just seemed cool when you bought them will sit in the safe. Sometimes it's hard to guess which ones are which, and different people have differing opinions and tastes.

Some people like to accumulate guns, and a shocking number of them own $2000 rifles that they can't shoot for a hill of beans. I have accumulated a few guns myself, but I figure that $100 WW II military surplus rifles will fill a closet just as well as $1600 tactical toys.:D

Remington's XCR is designed for nasty weather. If you don't need that, you can have just as much fun and learn just as much about good rifle shooting from their SPS model, which is half the price, or split the difference and you can get a stainless SPS. Personally, I like the Weatherby Vanguard, but that has more to do with fit and balance than anything else, and I like wood or laminate stocks, just because I do. I have enough plastic in my life.:)

IMHO your best option is to approach rifle shooting as a skill sport when making purchasing decisions. This won't be the last rifle you buy. Your interests may shift; you may join competitions, hunt, etc. But like any sport, you're going to enjoy it more and stick with it if you concentrate on learning to do it well, then use your skills to branch out. Your first rifle should be chosen with this in mind.

Many recommend .22LR for learning. That's probably a good idea, but there are reasons not to, as well. .223 Remington is a good choice, IMO, because you get long-range flat-shooting accuracy, but recoil and ammo prices are low, for a centerfire.
 
anyone like the tikka?????

I know that many of you have probably read the long bashing that chuck hawks did on the tikka but that is one person and I have talked to many many others and read about more that love they're tikka t3 lites, accurate, light if you want to pack them hunting and reasonably affordable. and yes they are a little on the bland side w/t they're plain black stock but I happen to like the looks and with handloads my buddies are getting consistent sub-moa accuracy all day long. I have heard good things about the .223 and the .270wsm I would recomend the .270 or the .270wsm accurate, flat shooting and still a great deer gun if you want something a little smaller maybe the .243. Happy shopping.
 
Mr. Tuttle - Sage Advice

Sir, Clearly you are a sooth-sayer:

Rifles are like prostitutes
It's better not to start with the fully tactical model


An alternative view may be:

Buying a rifle is like a buying your significant other a boob job. Get as much as she can stand and you can afford.
Anonymous Georgia Whitetail Hunter

Another long forgotten sage suggest that when buying a motorcycle:

Remember that within a month you will be lusting after the bigger, badder Harley.
 
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