I wanna buy an AR or AK or somethin before a Democrat gets in office!

[hobgob]

Im gonna have about 2 grand to spend maybe, but would like to stay around a grand or 1.5 g's. So ive been lookin around. At first i was really thinkin about an entry tactical rock river ar. But lately I've been lookin at robinsons xcr, mainly for the caliber change ability, but this seems to be getting mixed reviews. I would mainly use the weapon for home defense and just shootin fun, being a civvie. I eventually want the rifle to be a solid cqb rifle; flashlight, foreend grip, that sort of thing. So to anyone who owns a robinson xcr, what do you think about the company, will they back their rifle for a while if i buy one(im still young and i want somethin i can keep for a long time), or should i stick with the ar/m4 style since there is so much out there for them? any input?

 

[DnPRK]

Having lived through 2 California AW registrations in 1989 and 2000, I recommend you stock up on stripped receivers and buy the parts kits to finish your rifles at a later date. AR-15 lowers, AR-10 lowers, FAL uppers, AK receivers, CETME receivers (and probably some other I have forgotten) can be obtained before Hillary is coronated in January 2009 and we loose the ability to purchase the serialized "firearm".

 

[doc2rn]

HobGob: you are in Ks the most Republican controlled state in the Union, the GOP overrides Sebelius's veto alot. We now have CCW, thanks to the majority rule. We have 4 gun stores in Topeka alone. Buy what you really want and you will be way more happy than if you take someone elses advice. Personally I like the Steyr bullpup configuration and the HK MP5K for close quarters.

 

[rangerruck]

You may also wanna look at mgi military sales for total config changes. In the meantime, spend about 300 bucks, and get a nice 16 inch bbl. saiga, and change out the front handguards to railed guards, and add your lights, grips , lasers, etc.

 

[RobTzu]

Having lived through 2 California AW registrations in 1989 and 2000, I recommend you stock up on stripped receivers and buy the parts kits to finish your rifles at a later date. AR-15 lowers, AR-10 lowers, FAL uppers, AK receivers, CETME receivers (and probably some other I have forgotten) can be obtained before Hillary is coronated in January 2009 and we loose the ability to purchase the serialized "firearm".

I agree 100%. Also stocking up on high capacity magazines may not be a bad idea.

 

[rob4570]

dont forget, plenty of ammo while you still can. I went with an sks so I could buy plenty of cheap ammo

 

[MAX100]

If a gun control President did take office some guns will increase in price regardless if there is gun control legislation put forth. People will start buying everything in sight driving prices up. It is not only Dems that are pro gun control some Republicans are also, Rudy. The Republicans had complete control of Government, President and congress, for six years and did nothing to overturn past gun control legislation, what a waste. It would be hard for any President to pass any gun control legislation, the votes in Congress is just not there. The congress could have a big change in 2008 but that is not likely.

Any of the AK's or AR's with threaded barrels would be a very good investment. Now is the time to buy before price go up. High cap mags also.

GC

 

[righteousbarbarian]

if i hit the lotto i would get the following in the following order:

Saiga 12
AR15 carbine
AK47 carbine (7.62x39)
FAL

unfortunately I am not terribly wealthy and probably won't be until after a gun control candidate gets elected. However there's a small chance that Hillary's campaign fund raising shadiness will catch up with her or she will have a change of heart because she likes to switch up her value system for the sake of popularity. who knows. let's just keep praying and/or hoping for the best.

 

[outofbattery]

I'd probably spend my $1500-2000 diversifying a bit instead of spending it on one ninjafied AR: if anyone happened to be selling a decent Century FAL or CETME for around 5 bills,I'd grab them-they're both rifles that have almost doubled in value already and if you get a good one,they're actually quite nice rifles.I'd probably then snag a decent AK of some sort-I got a very nicely functioning Romanian SAR-2 5.45 brand new for $269 last year and 500 rounds of ammo for it was cheaper than any 5.56 or 7.62 rounds.Anything left over I'd spend on AR receivers to be assembled when funds allowed.

 

[benEzra]

Get the Rock River AR, a Romanian AK with everything on straight, and plenty of magazines for both, and you should still come in well under your 2K limit.

Having lived through 2 California AW registrations in 1989 and 2000, I recommend you stock up on stripped receivers and buy the parts kits to finish your rifles at a later date. AR-15 lowers, AR-10 lowers, FAL uppers, AK receivers, CETME receivers (and probably some other I have forgotten) can be obtained before Hillary is coronated in January 2009 and we loose the ability to purchase the serialized "firearm".

The problem is, H.R.1022 also bans the sale of parts that you'd need to finish the rifle, as I read it. So if you buy a bunch of stripped lowers and plan to finish them later, you might be SOL if a ban did pass.

However, IMHO, it is increasingly unlikely that a ban will pass. Black rifles are now mainstream (one in three centerfire rifle rounds that Remington sells is a round of .223, AFAIK the AR platform is the most popular centerfire rifle in America in terms of annual sales, and perhaps twice as many people own guns falling under H.R.1022 as hunt (perhaps more).

But $2K is enough to get a good AR and a decent AK, IMHO.

 

[HorseSoldier]

At first i was really thinkin about an entry tactical rock river ar. But lately I've been lookin at robinsons xcr, mainly for the caliber change ability, but this seems to be getting mixed reviews. I would mainly use the weapon for home defense and just shootin fun, being a civvie. I eventually want the rifle to be a solid cqb rifle; flashlight, foreend grip, that sort of thing.

I'd guess it depends on how bad you anticipate things getting. If you're thinking something akin to the last AWB, then look at things they're definitely going to take away from you -- high cap mags, folding/collapsible stocks, bayonet lugs (we all need those, of course ), and flash hiders/muzzle brakes and comps, etc.

XCR is probably a good choice in that criteria, as would be an M4gery, a side or underfolder AK, Para-FALs, and the like.

If you're anticipating it getting really, really bad, then I'd say stick with either an AR (M4gery or otherwise) or an AK, simply because if things go bad enough there are better stocks of spare parts for those than most anything else out there.

Personally, I think that if the Dems get in, they'll pussy-foot around the gun issue since they still recall how badly they got hammered last time, and that was pre-9/11 when no one was really concerned about the potential of homicidal jihadis on the streets of America. Now, if they can get in and hold it for a second election, especially with some kind of majority in one or both houses as well, all bets may be off, as I expect some "drunk with power" stupidity by that point.

 

[Gunnerpalace]

I have been meaning to do this here is the HR 1022 "rescue" list for rifles:

AK, AKM, AKS, AK-47, AK-74, ARM, MAK90, Misr, NHM 90, NHM 91, SA 85, SA 93, VEPR;
AR-10;
AR-15, Bushmaster XM15, Armalite M15, or Olympic Arms PCR;
AR70;
Calico Liberty;
Dragunov SVD Sniper Rifle or Dragunov SVU;
Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, or FNC;
Hi-Point Carbine;
HK-91, HK-93, HK-94, or HK-PSG-1;
Kel-Tec Sub Rifle;
M1 Carbine;
Saiga;
SAR-8, SAR-4800;
SKS with detachable magazine;
SLG 95;
SLR 95 or 96;
Steyr AUG;
Sturm, Ruger Mini-14;
Tavor;
Thompson 1927, Thompson M1, or Thompson 1927 Commando; or
Uzi, Galil and Uzi Sporter, Galil Sporter, or Galil Sniper Rifle (Galatz).

Get em' while you still can!

 

[Cueball]

I've been thinking the very same thing hobgob. I believe that after the 08 election, these rifles will take a significant jump in value and may be next to impossible to get after legislators have their say.

To that end, I recently picked up a Polytech AK and a milspec style AR15. I would consider something like a Rock River for the AR to get the best bang for the buck.

As others have posted, get some mags too while you're at it.

 

[Bartholomew Roberts]

H.R. 1022 bans "conversion kits" which are basically defined as any parts that can be used to make an "assault weapon." As benEzra noted, stripped receivers won't do you much good if you can't get the parts to put on them.

Having said that, I think that if you are in the market for an EBR of any kind, now is the time to wait. There are several new rifles that are slated to enter the market in Spring 2008 after SHOT. Just to give an example of rifles that might be coming on to the market soon - HK416, HK417, SCAR, and Masada. If those rifles come on to the market, there will be a lot of guys selling AKs and ARs in order to upgrade. More supply means lower prices for those who are interested in a used rifle. Greater competition from the new rifles means that even those who want a new AR/AK will probably see some benefits.

You've basically got until January 2009 before a ban is of any serious concern, even with a worst case scenario in November 2008 (though if the worst case scenario does happen, it will be a full on buying frenzy from November to early Spring 2009).

 

[benEzra]

I have been meaning to do this here is the HR 1022 "rescue" list for rifles:

AK, AKM, AKS, AK-47, AK-74, ARM, MAK90, Misr, NHM 90, NHM 91, SA 85, SA 93, VEPR;
AR-10;
AR-15, Bushmaster XM15, Armalite M15, or Olympic Arms PCR;
AR70;
Calico Liberty;
Dragunov SVD Sniper Rifle or Dragunov SVU;
Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, or FNC;
Hi-Point Carbine;
HK-91, HK-93, HK-94, or HK-PSG-1;
Kel-Tec Sub Rifle;
M1 Carbine;
Saiga;
SAR-8, SAR-4800;
SKS with detachable magazine;
SLG 95;
SLR 95 or 96;
Steyr AUG;
Sturm, Ruger Mini-14;
Tavor;
Thompson 1927, Thompson M1, or Thompson 1927 Commando; or
Uzi, Galil and Uzi Sporter, Galil Sporter, or Galil Sniper Rifle (Galatz).

Get em' while you still can!

That's just the tip of the iceberg. Far, far more guns than that would be banned by pedigree, by features, or by adoption by a police department or the military, including the SKS, M1 Garand, a bunch of semiauto shotguns, etc.

 

[Gustav]

Better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it one in the hand beats two or more in the bush.

As for the OP's choices within his budget a well thought out selection could include two or three good choices from those listed.

Get spare mags and ammo as well as a few hopefully never needed spare parts.

Evaluate ones own needs if at all possible try out a few different rifles and not just at close range.

Be patient and frugal, shop around since many good deals come up if you have the cash at the right moment.

Check www.auctionarms.com

www.gunbroker.com

www.gunsamerica.com

Pick up a copy of Shotgun News and browse.

Each person has his or her own preferences based on experience, nothing beats hands on knowledge gained from using different firearms if at all possible side by side.

 

[Gunnerpalace]

M1 Garand banned WHAT! ..........why?

 

[RockyMtnTactical]

I would go with the AR15. It is the standard. Parts are abundant. It is a great design.

 

[jpwilly]

+1 for AR's also because they are American made they cannot be banned from import.

 

[DoubleTapDrew]

M1 Garand banned WHAT! ..........why?

Because it's been used to overthrow communist/socialist/dictatorship governments, like ours is becoming

If you like building things, you could build your own AR (if you mall-ninja it out you'll end up replacing all the factory stuff anyway) and get an AK and still be around $1000. Then spend $500 or so on mags and ammo.

 

[jlbraun]

I wanna buy an AR or AK or somethin before a Democrat gets in office!

If people would actually give money to candidates that would defend the 2nd Amendment instead of going on "OMG I'm going to buy 3 ARs, 12 stripped lowers, and 150 magazines before the Dems ban guns!" $6,000 buying sprees, there would be no assault weapons ban, no GCA, and no NFA. You would be able to go out this afternoon and buy an M240 over the counter for $2400.

Instead what we get is feeding people's shopping addictions to buy more guns and we get more gun control. Some people...

 

[possum]

this is what i would do i would get an ar and an ak, i would get a stag or bushmaster, and then a good ak, and if you want low ammo cost get one in 5.45x39 ammo is cheaper than 7.62x39 aks are great rifles i love my mak-90 and the yugo guns are awesome as well, you should be able to get both for under $1300 no problem, then have money for ammo, mags and other odds and ins.

 

[benEzra]

M1 Garand banned WHAT! ..........why?

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h110-1022

SEC. 3. DEFINITIONS.

(a) In General- Section 921(a)(30) of title 18, United States Code, as added by section 2(a) of this Act, is amended to read as follows:

`(30) The term `semiautomatic assault weapon' means any of the following:
...
(L) A semiautomatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney General. In making the determination, there shall be a rebuttable presumption that a firearm procured for use by the United States military or any Federal law enforcement agency is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, and a firearm shall not be determined to be particularly suitable for sporting purposes solely because the firearm is suitable for use in a sporting event.'.

The M1 Garand is "a semiautomatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use." Hence, it is banned, unless the AG declares it "particularly suitable for sporting purposes."

The M1 is no more "particularly suitable for sporting purposes" than any of the other guns banned by the law.

It is possible that it might also fail a features test, except that the en-bloc clip is probably not considered a "detachable magazine."

 

[U.S.SFC_RET]

Use common sense when buying. Yes the AWB is back in place but I believe it won't last. I also believe you might be stuck with your "assault weapons" and can't transfer them until another republican president comes into the picture and rescues us IMHO. Guns should not be an investment unles you know exactly what you are doing, even now.

 

[hobgob]

Thanx for the good advice fellas! a buddy of mine spotted a nice rock river AR with rails and a local gunshop for about 850-900 and i think im gonna jump on it, sounds liek a good deal and this guy knows his AR's. so hopefully i'll have a nice tactical rifle to add to my collection soon!