Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by dakota.potts, Jan 24, 2014.
But does it feature an expanding rotational cone of density mass tungsten nytrillum wave particles?
Agreed on both
The motion of the gel block upon impact led me to question its proper calibration. I submit that they tweaked it to over-emphasize the impact and wound-cavity the round generates.
I'm a little confused about the shotgun rounds. What's the point of spread after impact with a slug, isn't it pretty much game over already? If you wanted spread why wouldn't you use buckshot to begin with?
Isn't that the case with every advertised defensive round that is supposed to be better than the others? They all claim to do stuff better than the competition, to be the best, to be the choice of professionals, or some such over-the-top claim. Each company wants to set it self aside from the rest of the pack even if in the grand scheme, their particular offering is statistically no better than a bunch of the other choices, LOL.
Why would they rip off in the rifling when they don't contact the rifling?
The FBI "protocol" is bs for civilians. You'd be well advised not to be shooting at anyone in a car. No controlable ccw gun and load is going to do much after going thru both sides of a car, unless it's an AP rd that has very little stopping power. If you shoot into or thru a car, you'd better pray that no innocents are inside of it, and that none of your richochets hit anyone but the bad guy. I don't want a handgun bullet that penetrates more than 9" of gel, after piercing a denim jacket. It's either wasting too much of its available power, or it's too slow for repeat hits with a gun that's feasible for ccw(except maybe under a parka).
Anyone know when/where these can be purchased? I have a spot in my safe for them. I agree they are probably going to be a novelty. But when it comes to firearms and ammo, I like novelty.
This would have one advantage over a normal slug in that it shouldn't over-penetrate.
And for people who think they might need a shotgun at ranges where shot pattern opens up to the point of some pellets possibly missing the target, this would have an advantage in that area too...
I'm surprised Lehigh hasn't made one...
I'm wondering if it's more difficult though to get a copper slug to spin than a lead slug.
I don't think it really matters what ammo you have if the guy on the other end is facing a 30+ round burst from a glock 18 or 93R, it's going to ruin your day either way. Might as well load a cocktail of all different types of rounds to amuse the coroner at that point.
It shouldn't be more difficult if its saboted.
2:27, it looks like one of the "hole saw accoustic wave buzz-saw petals with deadly centrifugal force" actually bounced off the paper an instant before the clipped the video.
96 gr = ~48 grain core + 8 BUZZ SAW PETALS!!!
OK now, let's do a quick lesson on terminal ballistics so we can put this stupid cartridge to bed, where it deserves to remain forever.
If you have Approx half the weight in the petals, half in the "ultra penetrating core", each of these devastating ripsaw ballistic accoustic wave petals has approximately *6* whopping grains of weight. SIX WHOLE GRAINS OF WEIGHT.
Even if they're sending these out at 1500 fps, the ACTUAL PHYSICAL DAMAGE CAUSED BY EACH PETAL IS ROUGHLY EQUIVALENT TO MY SON'S HIGH VELOCITY AIR RIFLE WE SHOOT IN THE BASEMENT. (Or, if you want to split hairs, maybe like getting shot with eight #8 birdshot pellets).
The damage to a human being will be (approximately) like getting shot 8 times by my son's air rifle, plus a high velocity 22 long rifle hunting projectile. Since the slug in this bullet is solid copper you can kiss any expansion effects aside. It'll have about the same terminal effect as a high velocity copper jacketed hunting projectile (which does expand to about the same diameter, and has roughly the same weight).
Will it kill someone if it hits something vital? Sure! But so will a 22 hunting rifle.
As far as the other nasty effects?
Gee, Trent. Put that way it sounds like a quick way to turn a 9mm into a .25ACP.
So you are saying it is truly "The Last Round You'll Ever Need" because if you shoot someone with it and they don't die laughing, they'll kill you?
One thing that I see not mentioned about this round is the "potential" to hit something vital with a marginal shot. You can see in the watermelon shot, the petals travel a fair distance even exiting the watermelon's skin. I also haven't seen what the remaining core looks like after the "petals" have disengaged. I would imagine it's not a clean break. I like the concept. I think something 230 grn in 45ACP+P WOULD be worth taking a look at more seriously. After impact, it would essentially be a 9mm after full expansion (115 grn) with 8 larger petals. THAT could be a player.
Oh! In that case...
I just wanna know if the box comes with pictures of zombies on it. If so, I'm SOLD!
au01st...Yep...our college physics PhD would almost throw a student out of class if the student used centrifugal. I mean the guy got irate.
I bet you know what a Unicorn looks like though. If you know what one is, it exists.
Box of 20 just sold on gunbroker for $300
The name alone promises that no cops will be allowed to carry that round! Press would eat it up!
I'll stick to good ole fashioned hollow points. Gimmick round in an industry plagued by gimmicks. This round is going to be reserved for bubble packaging at $10/4 like Glaser Safety slugs if it survives at all.
Another reason for an excessive force, malicious wounding, or wrongful death lawsuit
I have to admit, were I expecting to be attacked by a pack of rabid aliens who shared the exact same physical structure as a balloon or a watermelon, these would be top of my list.
I'm not, though...
I may have to try some of this crazy stuff
That's an evil looking bullet!!
9 Separate Wound Channels!
* Up to 6″ diameter spread
* 96 gr projectile
* 2″ grouping at 25 yrds
* 1265 FPS / 490 Muzzle Energy
* 9 Separate Wound Channels
* Precision Machined
* Solid Copper / Lead Free
* Defeats all known barriers such as sheet metal, sheet rock, windshields, plywood, heavy winter clothing
Where's Gecko45 when you need him?
96 grs at 1265 fps is a wussy load. The Original Glaser 9mm was a 96 gr bullet, at 1800 fps. Lots more power. The 1265 fps load is 330 ft lbs, not 490 ft lbs. So they are lying on the face of it, by a LOT.
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