G27 mag spring lifespan?

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Ok...

As I have mentioned before...I'm finding my G27 to be 99% reliable and my G26 100% reliable. And therefore making the 27 to 26 switch.

(What's strange is that my G27 was flawless for the first 600 rounds!)


Before I make the switch permanent... I read here on THR that the Glock armorer manual says to replace the mag springs every 1,000 rounds.

1. Is this true?
2. I like to shoot 800 rounds per month. Well, that would mean that I need to change the mags every two months. ( Could this be the reason to the recent 99% reliability rate? I get 1 FTF every range session.)

I seriously doubt that you guys change your mag springs every two months...right?
 
Back in '08 Glock released a Wearable Parts Replacement Schedule for LE armorers for the Gen 3 & older .40's in LE service.

The recommendation for the mag spring replacement in the G27 was 5,000 rounds, or, for best results, replacing the mag springs at least every other time that the recoil spring assembly is replaced. (Replacement of the RSA was listed for 3,000 rounds in the G27, or whenever testing at each range or qual session, using the Glock recoil spring field test, might indicate it was needed more often.)

The latest Glock armorer manual includes language which describes how any spring can be damaged, weakened, worn or broken and should be evaluated often. The mag spring is one of the 9 springs listed that may require attention at some point, as they age and "tire" (their wording).

I've listened to different instructors over the years describe different ways to check and decide if mag springs are starting to weaken and may require replacement. Manually running the slide in a brisk manner (obviously using an EMPTY gun & mag) to make sure the follower consistently locks the slide back on an empty mag is a commonly discussed method.

Seeing feeding failures at either the end of the mag load, or approaching the end of the mag load, is also a common sign (presuming the mag is clean and not just contaminated with fouling, debris, etc).

Using a new exemplar spring to which used springs are compared; how many spring windings may stick out of the mag body with the floorplate removed; and how far the empty mag "pops up" out of the grip when the EMPTY pistol is being bench checked (turned upside down & mag release pushed to release mag) have also been discussed in class (as different armorers have come up with their own ideas).

Before I'd attribute failures-to-feed to a mag-related condition, I'd consider the more commonly encountered influences of shooter & ammunition-related factors.

I don't fire my G27 as much as you do (spreading out my shooting among a number of different handguns), but I'm coming up on close to 11K rounds fired through it. I've experienced perhaps a dozen or so feeding issues and stoppages over the years I've been using my G27. The apparent causes seemed to have included shooter, ammunition and apparent follower issues. The shooter related issues occurred when I momentarily (albeit unintentionally) relaxed my grip/locked wrist.

I consider my G27 to be perfectly reliable for use as a retirement weapon, BTW. (And as an off-duty weapon prior to that.) I work hard to prevent any shooter-related issues from occurring during qual, training & practice sessions which might involve movement, the use of 1-handed and non-dominant hand shooting, as well as using various cover/barricades while shooting at threat targets. I know I start to get tired after shooting upwards of 200-400 rounds during any particular range session, especially if done through a couple or even several guns.

If you're shooting 2-3 hundred rounds per range session it's not surprising that a shooter-grip issue might momentarily surface due to hand/wrist/forearm fatigue.

Are you using the stock 9-rd mags, just out of curiosity?

Just my thoughts ...

What ammunition & bullet weight are you using when you encounter your single failure-to-feed (or were using just prior to experiencing it)?

Do you clean & inspect your mags (especially considering how much you shoot each month)?
 
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I have discovered my G27 is susceptible to limpwrist jams with the G22 mags. It IS the only Glock I've ever unintentionally limpwristed. Happened twice, both times while playing with my grip. Not a big deal to me, since I know why it happened, how to avoid it, it's an easy jam to clear, and I keep a 9 round mag in it. I hope you figure out why yours is jamming.
 
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Thanks for the replies.

I use almost exclusively Federal 180 grain FMJ during target practice. And I'm embarrassed to say.... I don't really inspect the mags. They are a pain to disassemble. (But I do religiously strip clean the gun after every range trip.)


Fastbolt... I'll try your suggestion of cleaning out the mag springs.

1. If I need a new mag spring, is this something that I can simply order from most gun shops....or is this something I need to order online?

2. For that matter, where would one order RSA?
 
You can call Glock and explain that your magazine is failing to feed, lock slide open, etc. (and that it has been properly cleaned) and they will either send you a new mag spring or ask that you send in the bad magazine and they will replace it ... or you can go to some online source for factory springs and order what you need. Also, your occasional failure could be out of spec ammunition, not very likely, but possible. If your slide won't close when aiming the EMPTY pistol upwards and easing the slide closed while holding the trigger to the rear, then it needs a new recoil spring - or just replace it every 3,000 rds.

My 2 cents worth; I prefer to have range mags and carry mags. I do the usual check to make sure the carry mags work with my chosen carry ammo and then load them and don't unload them unless necessary for cleaning from some type of contamination or after shooting the carry ammo for replacement. I also load one shy of full for that extra edge in reliability. I use the range mags for all practice and training and therefore, if a failure due to a weak mag spring does occur, it'll be on the range and not in an emergency situation...;)
 
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