Gangs Account For Almost Half the Homicides in San Diego County

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This should come as no surprise.A lot of interesting reader comments follow the article.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20081006-9999-1m6crime.html

CRIME WATCH
Gangs blamed in almost half the homicides in '07


By Kristina Davis
UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

October 6, 2008

Nearly half the homicides with known motives in San Diego County last year were at the hands of gangs, according to a study looking at victims and suspects of violent crime.
Investigators were able to determine a motive in 88 of the 105 homicides in the county last year. Of those 88, 41 were attributed to gang activity, according to a study released Tuesday by the San Diego Association of Governments.

Local law enforcement officials said the data reflect the rise in gang violence in 2007 over the previous year as gangs became more likely to use firearms. In addition, more gang members shot their victims at close range – an often deadlier method than drive-by shootings.

San Diego police gang Lt. Jorge Duran said the fatal gang attacks last year – up 55 percent from 2006 – prompted an aggressive police response. It included adding officers to the gang unit and working closely with other agencies on large operations.

The surge has helped keep gang homicides in the city down so far this year.

“We've been successful at targeting the more violent gang members and locking them up,” Duran said.

The SANDAG study also shows that homicide victims tended to be older last year. The number of victims ages 25 to 39 spiked to 42 percent, an 18 percent increase. Researchers say there are no other data to explain the reason behind the increase.

Other trends worth noting:

More than 25 percent of female rape victims were younger than 18.

Children and young teens were suspects in one-third of robberies.

83 percent of homicide victims were men.

Young black and Latino males are at greatest risk of becoming victims of homicide, robbery and assault.

Sandy Keaton, senior criminal justice research analyst for SANDAG, said it's important to know which groups are being victimized and by whom.

“For law enforcement, it's important in forming their tactics,” Keaton said. “And for the community at large, it's examining who's at risk, why they are at risk, and how can we take some steps to prevent this for our youth?”


Kristina Davis: (619) 542-4591; [email protected]
 
Yeah, those reader comments are intense. No surprise that gang violence and robberies are the origin of the majority of the homicides though.
 
I'll bet that if California had stronger gun control laws that they'd solve this whole problem overnight.... :cuss:
 
lol. larry i was just getting ready to post that. something along the lines that if they just out right banned guns in cali it might be safer. because obviously the loose rules they have now just arent cutting it.
 
The anti gun nuts never get it. Where the citizens are not restricted by tough gun laws that bind law abiding citizens crime goes down. :cool:
 
What we need in America is anti-gang taskforces

Imagine a weekend with 178 vicious gang members slain. Gangs would disappear from the face of the planet toot-sweet. Fearful American residents would merely savor a bad memory of olden gang times. The task force MUST answer to no one throughout countless firefights. America should not be harassed by GANGS. Just fifty years ago, gangs were not so bold as today. Guess I'd make a brutal, if effective PRESIDENT if elected, but "I'd Git er' Done." cliffy
 
Yeah cliffy when they are done with Cali gangs then they can take on that other group of people the government is scared of, gun owners. I love groups of people set out to kill with noone to answer to.
 
Wow thats surprising. Why cant they just hurry up and kill themselves off.
 
Yeah the government sanctioned death squad is rather a bad one as I see it, the SS killing off the SA it reminds me of.

Rather in a book I've been writing, just little bits I think that if we did, we could see great results without major invasions of civil rights or expense of resources i.e. alternative fules(bio-fuels, hydrogen, electric cars), Urban and Natural Environmental Co-existance, simple stuff.

Well to deal with 'gangs' and drug dealers, yes I realize the two groups tend to interlink I developed an idea for classifying the deaths of these folks as suicides. Much like we have sexual predator databases we would have 'Gangs' and 'Drug' dealers entered into databases for individuals who had recently been convicted(key word being convicted, also being convicted after their appeals were exhausted, not just arrested) for either drug related crimes(dealing, trafficing, and possession great enough to qualify as 'intent to distribute') or gang related violence(being gang members who have engaged in violence regardless of whether or not the violence was to further gang pursuits).

So if one of these individuals is killed the police would just write it up as a suicide because of the concept 'live by the sword, die by the sword'. Now granted individuals who can demonstrate they have refrained from violence and lawlessness can petiton the government to have their names and identities removed from the list, because current photos and addresses would be listed for the individuals <wink>. To get off the list they would be required to meet a state determined amount of time of lawful conduct no less than a year as well as community service requirements not to be less than 520 hours and other various state required recovery and reform programs (i.e. anger management, community awareness programs).

Granted I originally planned more liberal programs but they just stretched too far into violating civil rights for me to care for them. Now granted these indviduals could be killed in prison and the staff could write it up as suicides. The ultimate idea would be that for folks being oppressed by these scumbags could find out if they are on the list, get a system supported confirmation, and if they wish 'take out the garbage'. Police officers on patrol could check a person's status after a lawful and update the system from the conveinence of their cars. And District Attorneys could plea out a criminal by either taking them off the list for the conviction or offering less time on the list. States would have the ultimate discretion as to how long an individual would be on the list. States like Florida, my state, could say that individual could be on the list for ten years.

It would be a Federal Law that states could choose to adopt at their will by popular vote. State legislatures would have no say, it would be the will of the people. So states like California would probably see a jump in their criminal population if they chose not to adopt the law and system.

So a hypothetical: a drug dealer who is on the system, found dead with multiple gunshots from a fellow neighbor who is a law abiding citizen, with witnesses abound identifyin the neighbor, his death would be classified as a suicide by police officers on the scene and the neighbor would be left be to enjoy his neigbhorhood with one less scum bag.

A dark hypothetical: A gang member who is in the system is being beaten to death by a crowd of people. Police arrive to asses the scene and after a status check find the person to be on the list. Realizing it's nearly noon they decide to go to lunch leaving the individual to the mercy of the mob. On their way to lunch they announce to the mob "we'll be back around one." At returning at one o'clock the scumbag is nothing more than a pulp of gore in the middle of the street. His death is classified as a suicide.

Now granted this system could cause migrations of criminals from one state where the system is in place to one where it isn't but that is that states problem.

This isn't even a real surface glance at the idea as I cite a number of Supreme Court and Circuit Court opinions in justifying the concpet and it totlas over a hundred pages of depth to explain it properly.
 
"A dark hypothetical: A gang member who is in the system is being beaten to death by a crowd of people. Police arrive to asses the scene and after a status check find the person to be on the list. Realizing it's nearly noon they decide to go to lunch leaving the individual to the mercy of the mob. On their way to lunch they announce to the mob "we'll be back around one." At returning at one o'clock the scumbag is nothing more than a pulp of gore in the middle of the street. His death is classified as a suicide."

if said banger was one of your friends, or fam', how would you feel about it??
 
Gangs are criminal organizations. Members of such groups should be considered criminals, period.

yes, as every one in a gang or tied to one is violent criminal whos life is worth less than yours, glad to know that there stalin

I don't think we should "kill 'em all", but if you are in a gang or "tied" to a gang you should be treated as a criminal. If you don't want to be treated as a criminal DON'T JOIN OR ASSOCIATE WITH A GANG, duh.
 
Really? I'm sure there are a lot of good-natured gang bangers out there :scrutiny:. I'm sure there are alot of tolerant nazis, too :rolleyes:.

Defending street gangs is a losing argument. :banghead:
 
Gang, schmang.

I am surprised to see such a free thinking group of individuals swallowing a government statistic hook, line, and sinker.

It's an easy think for the bosses to declare 'it's these gangs that are the problem', and easier yet, to fuzz the definition of 'gang' to bolster their argument.

If the above used 'assault weapons' to blame crime on, there'd be thirty five posts by now, objecting to their definition of the term.

Ramone
 
No, not a government statistic. I live and work in Detroit, Michigan. Gangs are not a statistic, they are a REAL problem. They are not the only problem, but when you can look at someone and clearly see that they are a member of a KNOWN criminal organization, why not treat them as such.

Gangs are not the ONLY problem in this town, the fact that police simply DO NOT RESPOND definitely doesn't help matters at all.
 
"Defending street gangs is a losing argument."

says you, and im not
defending the gangs or the nature of them at all.

just that, people are people, some good some bad, some down right evil.

I base my opinion own my own experiances and beliefs, nothing more nothing less.

I would bet I have far more experiance with gang members than most of the people on here other than the cops and CO's.

I dont like the idea of lumping groups of people together and judging them all to be inherantly good or bad.

agin, were all human beings.
 
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