GB Holdings/Gunbroker Committed Fraud by Illegally Charging My Credit Card

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JRMSR

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I have been a member of Gunbroker.com for almost a year. I have sold over $20,000.00 of personal merchandise over that period. On the 4th of March my account was terminated because my phone number wasn't correct, even though they had a good address for me. I changed the phone number immediately and asked for reinstatement. They refused to reinstate and came up with another blatant excuse of "you have duplicate accounts. " Just prior to this, I had two auctions that were won by bidders that ended on the 23rd and 24th of Feburary but had not been completed by the buyers. When my account was suspended, I could not contact the buyers through their system which is required if the buyer defaults. This ensures that you can recoup your advertisement fees and seller percentage owed to Gunbroker.

The auctions that I lost due to the termination amounted to $4799.00 + the $177.99 they charged my card for services rendered for brokering the rifles. I contacted customer support and was told that my account was terminated because my phone number was incorrect and that I had duplicate accounts. I only have one account with a 100% rating. I explained to them that I had two open auctions, that I had not yet been paid for and I was unable to contact the winner through their system. They refused to reinstate my account and stole $177.91 from my credit card and would not return it. I have filed a criminal report with the FBI for fraud. I have continued to contact them and I will contest any and all charges that have been applied to my credit card account.:cuss:

Gunbroker charged my card for their percentage of what the rifle sold for and as they wouldn't allow or assist me in the completion of the auctions, they were not entitled to the percentage fees. Hence, this is theft on a federal level.

Gunbroker falsely advertises by telling patrons that they would reimburse the fees if the transaction wasn't completed by the buyer, as long as you use their system to contact the buyer. They terminated my account so I was unable to complete the transaction. I am now out of pocket to the tune of about $5000.00 because of this fraud. Gunbroker still refuses to contact me on any level. They have terminated all means of contact with customer support.

I would advise anyone who plans to utilize Gunbroker, to find another avenue of advertisement. They have no concern or liability for their actions. They do not hold themselves accountable for the actions of their customer service personel. I'm presently contemplating a civil law suit against them for the loss. I have ample documentation of all correspondance and transactions. They have blatantly committed and act of fraud and have never offered to return the money they have stole.:banghead:

Jeff:fire:

New Mexico
 
Probably, but there is no guarantee that they will be any better. It's high time that the anonymous Gunbroker.com, ie., GB Holdings was held accountable for their actions. As a long term member and attendee of the National Shot Show, I have sent a letter to the Board of Director complaining about their fraudulent treatment. I hope that they will ban them from participation from the next show. Gunbroker.com is a pox on the honest firearm selling community. I'll see what the FBI intends to do. Additionally, I'm sending letters to the GOA, NRA, NSSF outlining their fradulant activity. Maybe they will be put in check by these organization.

I would suggest that anyone who uses Gunbroker should seriously reevaluate their terms and users agreement. They apply it only when it suits them. I had a similar instance last year when a buyer placed a bid on a custom M-21 I had advertised, in the amount of $5000.00. The customer told Gunbroker that it was an accident that he place the bid and wanted to withdraw it. According to their own published rules, it is the responsibility of the buyer to contact the seller directly to have the bid repealled. Gunbroker, took it upon themselves and cancelled the bid without contacting me first. This is a blatant violation of their own rules but they did it anyway. I lost the sale of the rifle and my advertisement fees. When I contact their customer service through the website their exact words to me were, "he wasn't going to buy it anyway so we cancelled the bid." I readressed their published rules and I was chastised and threatened with termination if I persisted. I should have seen the writing on the wall then.

The individuals who operate the site have no integrity or direct contact with the firearms selling or buying community for fear of reprisal. They sit behind their little screen making decisions based upon their on personal judgement which they have little of. You can't contact them by phone or by direct post with a complaint. Their billing responses are all automated, so if you have a contestment of a charge you are at their beck and call which takes weeks. They list a PO Box only on the website even though they do have a direct address. There legitmacy is questionable at best. They are snivelling cowards and don't deserve honest buyers and sellers money. They have had a very limited welcome by Firearm Dealers and the Firearms Manfacturing Community and are looked at as a problem.

At the National Shot Show the only way they can acquire any patronage is to hire scantally clad women to pose at their booth. They are a real joke. They have no investment in the firearms community and have no store front. They sell nothing and do not represent any firearms or accessory manfacture. They are not even a licensed dealer! They have no accountability for their actions and the firearms community needs to know it.

Cheers

Jeff
 
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I haven't heard GB's side of this so I can't comment other than to say maybe you should try to work things out before making libelous statements in public?

I find it hard to believe they would not have any contact with a dealer doing the amount of business you say you were doing on GB. There must be some misunderstanding.
 
Its like trying to take on Ebay, they've got so much momentum in their niche that a few rants on various boards wont do much about it. Dispute the charges with your credit card company, lawyer up and then they'll listen.

Kharn
 
So you joined this forum for the sole purpose of complaining about Gunbroker.

Among your other activities is to accuse them of fraud and to send "a letter to the Board of Director complaining about their fraudulent treatment. I hope that they will ban them from participation from the next show."

Usually after seeing a complaint like yours I read past messages by that person to try for a sense of his own reasonableness and stability. This is impossible to do in your case because you have no history here.

I've no interest in defending or attacking Gunbroker. My own experiences with their auctions have been uniformly good for several years. So I have no horse in your race, but it's not one on which I'd bet.
 
So you joined this forum for the sole purpose of complaining about Gunbroker.
That was kinda my take on it too. I also wondered what other forums might have been joined for the same purpose.

I have been trading off and on at Gunbroker since 2001 and have yet to have a complaint about them or any of the experiences. And I have gathered a feedback score of 61 in that time. That's not to say that issues don't happen.

But, there are better reasons for being here than thrashing an outfit you feel has wronged you.
 
That's the great thing about using credit cards; you can dispute the charges and the CC company will charge it back.
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Amen to that.The folks at First National Visa Omaha who issued my NRA Visa card have helped me out of several jams with unscrupulous vendors.
Always use a top notch credit card company like FNB Omaha.
 
This paid announcement has been brought to you by the good folks at FNB Omaha.

Awaiting my weekly commission check now!:neener:

Seriously(joke)that was intended to be an NRA plug for FNB Omaha.
Did I say they are a great bank?They are!
 
Unless I misread this, the guy is only out 177.91, not $5000. He still has the rifles to sell somewhere if he doesn't like gunbroker.com

Sounds crummy at first, but deleting accounts without proper contact info is one way Gunbroker protects their buyers.
 
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JRMSR...

come up with some collaborating details or we'll simply dismiss you as a minor nuisance.

Where are the auctions you mentioned? What was your gunbroker ID? What were the guns being sold, in detail? When did this happen?

I find it VERY hard to believe that an auction house that is making lots of money off of you is going to dump you just because your phone number is not valid, especially if you call them and let them know what your new number is.

On the other hand, if I were GB and I found someone artificially jiggling prices by bidding on his own auctions, I would boot him out in a second and make sure to leave a good solid print on his backside.
 
Well, I didn't want to insinuate anything, but I bet there's more to this story than what we've heard so far. GB wouldn't boot a seller making them commissions without something resembling a good reason. This guy sounds pissed off because he didn't get his way and as noted he seems to have joined this forum (and who knows how many others as well) for the sole purpose of maligning the auction site.

The owner of GB has been made aware of this post, BTW. He might have something to say about this situation to Mr. Disgruntled Seller.
 
but deleting accounts without proper contact info is one way Gunbroker protects their buyers.
Bwaahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaa! GB protecting its buyers? That's a hoot....

Without addressing the OPs issues, I can tell you from personal experience that GB has absolutely ZERO interest in protecting buyers. As a general rule, they will bend over backwards to protect their revenue stream, which equates to the SELLER.
 
Why

do I think there is more to this story than what is being told?
It sounds too pat, the good guy in the white cowboy hat and the evil corporation with the curly mustache tying the damsel to the railroad tracks.

I guess I'll use GB until I hear their side of the story....
 
I brought this thread to the attention of GB owner. He replied in an email saying there is a lot to this story that JRMSR is not disclosing. I won't repeat what I was told or go into details but like I said earlier, there's another side to this situation.
 
No one at GB that I have bought anything from seems to take credit cards mostly MO and Checks etc. No PayPal...Afraid of the credit card ability to take and hold funds if there is a problem. Litigation is a great thing IMHO...

:what:
 
Call your credit card company and dispute the charges - today! They will charge this back. This falls under "serviecs not rendered" and is one of the most common disputes.
 
Gunbroker has a long history of screwing people. As soon as you have a problem or they actually have to work for their $$$ they are nowhere to be found. BTW, SaxonPig is a moderator at GB and one of their lackeys, hence his interest in this matter. We set up a site called IhateGunbroker.com awhile back so people had a place to tell how GB screwed them since GB lackeys patrol most gun forums and GB will quickly delete any auction questions or complaints from their forum. Unhappy with seeing this information consolidated at one site they filed a case with WIPO saying that we were trying to divert business away from GB by using the "gunbroker" name in the addy. They then hired Doug Isenberg, a lawyer who conveniently is a WIPO panelist (conflict of interest, anyone?) and won ownership of the domain (ooohhh it cost us a whopping $6) then set it up as a redirect to GB (since people googling "I Hate Gunbroker") are probably wanting to buy from GB :rolleyes: We promptly transfered the information over to a new site called ihateGB.com, feel free to add your info to the others there. Also, do a Google search for "urvan +sting +WIPO" or "gunbroker +rip-off report" to see what type of scum you are dealing with. BTW, considering that they said that IhateGunbroker.com was trying to divert business away from GB, can you think of any legitimate reason why GB would own redirect domains like Guns-america.com (not gunsamerica.com), gunsandammo.com (note, not gunsandammomag.com), or any of their other redirects? They always tell you to contact their customer service dept which has no working phone number last time I checked and is notoriously slow to provide resolution thru email. Unfortunately, GB already charged you for their services so their motivation is going to be slim. As long as they get their money they really don't care what happens. For some reason their lackeys will slave away for these crooks, must be the KoolAid :rolleyes: Gunbroker SUCKS!
 
BTW, isn't it interesting the SaxonPig can contact the owner on a whim, but sellers on the site would have to wait a long time for a response (if they got one at all)? Convenient, isn't it? BTW, if you need to get a hold of Steve Urvan (the turd at the top of the GB septic tank), go to their forum and contact the user "admin" there, they are the same person (even though they won't admit it) :p
 
kingjoey: Please post a link to the firearms auction site you have founded as an alternative to GB and which solves all of the problems identified on your hate site.

*crickets*

Tell us, is it harder to provide a free-market solution, or to just complain?
 
kingjoey: Please post a link to the firearms auction site you have founded as an alternative to GB and which solves all of the problems identified on your hate site.

*crickets*

Tell us, is it harder to provide a free-market solution, or to just complain?

I am the co-founder of Gunsandall.com auctions. Does that answer your question? We set up Gunsandall so people would have a no-BS place to sell stuff where political-correctness and crappy customer service weren't a problem. What have you done to fix the problem? Or are you sipping the KoolAid at GB and Ebay? :neener:
 
SaxonPig is a moderator at GB and one of their lackeys, hence his interest in this matter.

Unless that's a legitimate job title, I think it violates our forum rules. We don't call people names here, now do we?
 
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