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GCO is a pro-gun group with a dangerous agenda . . .

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Malum Prohibitum, Aug 23, 2007.

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  1. Malum Prohibitum

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    Which Points . . . Here:

    Here's the actual story: Atlanta Journal Constitution

    And, since there's a tendency of content to shuffle about on the web during archiving, let's capture that here:
     
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    Ms. Downey, I'm disappointed to see that in your entire article you failed
    to show any danger that people with concealed carry permits would pose in
    those places GeorgiaCarry.org members ask asking for access too. If
    they're going to be dangerous there, surely you could demonstrate that
    they are already dangerous when in public. You did comment on the states
    firearm violence rate, but you failed to relate it to the topic of those
    carrying firearms. I'm open minded, but you're going to need to show me
    that people legally carrying firearms are contributing to that rate at any
    significant number. All you're offering is "guns are bad" and I'd really
    like to see some arguments based on real world observation of concealed
    carry.
     
  6. Leanwolf

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    What do you expect from the Atlanta Constipation Urinal?? That paper has been so far left for so long its masthead should be a hammer and sickle.

    L.W.
     
  7. S&Wfan

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    Folks,

    There are TWO Georgias . . . one is Atlanta, and the other is virtually everywhere else in our state.

    I hate even driving through Atlanta.

    T.
     
  8. Blackbeard

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  9. TimboKhan

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    Let me qoute you directly from the "Changes at THR" thread posted August 19th.

    It's not my place to say High Road or Low Road in regards to your comment, but I will say that I think that "The Atlanta Constipation Urinal" is probably not a great example of Socratic discourse. It also doesn't even make that much sense, given that the paper is called the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, not the Atlanta Constitution-Journal.
     
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    And your point is?? A play on words about a leftist rag is hardly an objectionable slur on any of the groups or people mentioned in the rules. What would you do, boil the board down to the point you can't say anything about anything?
     
  11. Dr. Peter Venkman

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    Timbo, Leanwolf's comments might have been close to the Low Road, but you're on a High Horse.
     
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    With plenty of cotton padding.
     
  13. TimboKhan

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    Nope. Not what I would do at all. THR is meant to be a place for a higher level of discourse than making toilet jokes about a newspaper.

    So, pointing out low road behavior equates to a riding a high horse? Maybe, but in part, it is this sort of play on words that got L&P shut down. Besides, you yourself agree that it's close to the low road. Why am I the jerk for pointing it out?

    Dude, I don't even know what this means. I am officially asking for some clarification here.

    If you really want to see me ride a high horse, let us examine what a play on words really is. According to wikipedia, word play is comprised of "Puns, phonetic mixups such as spoonerisms, obscure words and meanings, clever rhetorical excursions, oddly formed sentences, and telling character names" I don't see a single definition in there that counts third grade potty humor as word play.

    I might be wrong though. By way of further clarification, maybe I can check the dictionary at "wal-fart" before I stop and get dinner at "Taco Hell". After I get done doing that, I can check up on what the "demonrats" are doing. Because I can be sure that those crafty socialist liberal fat-cats are developing a scheme to rob me of freedom, I will use the internet to find something to symbolize my displeasure with them. This will most likely be a clever "Pissing Calvin" sticker in which he urinates on a donkey. I will then affix this to the back window of my First On Race Day (thats a Found On Road Dead to you MOPAR guys...), then go burn cookies in the local supermarket parking lot while flinging partially consumed cans of "Natural Light" out the window.

    This, gentlemen and women, is the future that faces us if we don't self-police and expect a higher standard of discussion in this forum. I shall now mount my high horse and ride off into my morally pure sunset, unapologetic and secure in the knowledge that I was on target with my first post. Good Day.
     
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    Don't let Maureen Downey's column rile everyone up. She's an anti-gun leftist who picked up where Cynthia Tucker has left off.

    I provided the editorial counterpoint to her story; they contacted me a few hours before their deadline to write a piece in favor of allowing the concealed carry of weapons in parks. I wrote a piece for them that was much more informative and detailed than what was printed; my piece was so seriously edited that it looked like a letter to the editor rather than a short column.

    Apparently, those of us at GACarry.org have started to get the attention of some people in Atlanta who don't like guns but can't really do anything about it in the legislature. We're also fighting local governments in court that are dragging their bureaucratic feet issuing concealed carry permits after the legal time limit that the state law requires.

    We're looking out for gun owners in Georgia. Maureen Downey and her brood can't stand us. Which is a good thing; we must be doing something right.
     
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    TimboKahn, All that superiority and pomposity must be a heavy load for that horse. I'll admit you make some points, but your delivery needs work:)

    You still didn't make the connection to the rules you quote.
     
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    i also agree. timbo,get over yourself.:neener: the guy made a silly joke about a silly newspaper, it wasn't that big of a deal.
     
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    I've never understood why leftist extremists aren't creative enough to concoct new lies from time to time.

    The simple fact of the matter is that the vast majority of times we, the people use firearms to thwart criminals, no shots are fired.
     
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    Dear Ms. Downey –



    I have just read your editorial, “Guns, parks don't mix.” http://www.ajc.com/opinion/content/opinion/stories/2007/08/22/gunsed_0823.html



    I expect that you will receive considerable feedback, both with you and against your stance. I do hope that most of those who object to what you wrote are relatively polite. However, you have equated citizens who are licensed to carry with warring gang members, so I would be quite surprised if all are as courteous as they should be.



    Guns provide defense far more often than you admit. They rarely are used to kill. They are often not even fired in successful cases of gun defense. The most often quoted estimate of successful gun defense in the US per year is 2,500,000. There are lower estimates, but I suspect even those lower estimates, at least those from honest researchers, to be much higher than you seem to believe.



    Those of us who are licensed to carry call “No Gun Zones” either “Criminal Empowerment Zones” or “Disarmed Victim Zones.” Am I to gather, then, that you are in favor of criminal empowerment and disarmament of victims? I further gather that you favor turning the state into a crazy quilt patchwork of local laws which will have as a result honest citizens being turned into law breakers simply by their being, unbeknownst to them, in an area where guns are prohibited by local ordinance.



    Your faith in the knowledge and wisdom of local politicians is touching. I think I will leave it at that.



    Gun Facts is a free e-book that debunks common myths about gun control. It is intended as a reference guide for journalists, activists, politicians, and other people interested in restoring honesty to the debate about guns, crime, and the 2nd Amendment. I most highly recommend it to you. It can be found at, and downloaded from http://gunfacts.info/. Gun Facts does document its sources.



    I am not from Georgia, but I do have family in the Atlanta area, and I am deeply concerned with their safety. I do not, therefore, believe that I am being out of place or out of line by communicating my concerns about this issue to you.



    Sincerely,
     
  20. Brian Williams

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    Leanwolf, org, Mil-dot and GTSteve03, Timbo is spot on with his interpretation of such low road comments. These discriptions of such organizations is one of the reasons we temporarily shut down L&P. we are looking to show the Interweb that we can have intelligent discourse and not resort to petty name calling like this.

    Also it is not that we worry endlessly about looking stupid or childish, it is that we worry about our country slowly becoming more uninformed and stupid. We want to teach and be smart, look and sound intelligent and present ourselves as wise individuals who like guns and shooting sports.

    Thanks Timbo

    b
     
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    Has anyone pointed out to them that in other states people licensed to carry pistols carry in all those listed parade of horribles--bars, churches, political rallies, parks, Little League games, gyms, inter alia--without any mayhem whatsoever?
     
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    Come on, El Tejon. You know Indiana doesn't count. Atlanta is trying to attain "status" with the coasts so that Chicago isn't the only refuge in flyover country.
     
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    I am curious, how do communities north of Atlanta (Alpharetta, Roswell, Marietta, etc...) compare in regard to attitudes toward guns and gun owners?
     
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    I live a bit north of Alpharetta now, but used to live there and Kennesaw (near Marietta.)

    From my experience, just about anywhere Outside the Perimeter (OTP) of I-285 has a much better attitude towards guns/owners. North Fulton can be a bit of a hassle, but otherwise there are a good bit of gun ranges, shops and people with NRA/Glock stickers on their cars. Glock, BTW, is a local company with its US HQ in Smyrna.
     
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    RangerHAAF, would you post the unedited version of your article. I read yours yesterday and I had a feeling some editing went on. I've had that same thing on AJC and strangely the subject was........guns.
    I am right up the road in Rome and am involved in an effort to get the city/county to repeal their parks ban.
    Am GCO member.
     
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