Germans using african americans as "targets"

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Yeah I think it is bad that the Germans were using "african americans" to scare their troops in training.

Worse yet insulting the troops mothers!!

What I want to know is why isn't anyone wondering what the H*LL German soldiers are doing in the Bronx with machine guns!!!


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Video Shows German Army Instructor Telling Soldier to Envision Black Americans, Then Shoot

Sunday , April 15, 2007

AP

BERLIN —
A German army instructor ordered a soldier to envision himself in New York City facing hostile blacks while firing his machine gun, a video that aired Saturday on national television showed.

The president of the Bronx, the New York City borough that the army instructor referred to in his directions to the soldier, demanded an apology from the German military and said the clip "indicates that bias and assumptions and racism is alive and well around the world."

Coming after scandals involving photos of German soldiers posing with skulls in Afghanistan and the abuse of recruits by instructors, the video seemed likely to raise more questions about training practices in Germany's conscript army.

The Defense Ministry said the video was shot in July 2006 at barracks in the northern town of Rendsburg and that the army has been aware of it since January.

"We are currently investigating the incident," said Florian Naggies, a spokesman for the army and Defense Ministry.

He did not identify the instructor or the soldier.

The clip shows an instructor and a soldier in camouflage uniforms in a forest. The instructor tells the soldier, "You are in the Bronx. A black van is stopping in front of you. Three African-Americans are getting out and they are insulting your mother in the worst ways. ... Act."

The soldier fires his machine gun several times and yells an obscenity several times in English. The instructor then tells the soldier to curse even louder.

In New York, Bronx Borough President Adolfo Carrion Jr. said whoever was responsible for the video should be disciplined.

"We need to put to rest the prejudices and the hate that is allowed ... to be perpetuated so easily and cheaply," said Carrion, who is of Puerto Rican descent.

"The German government obviously has work to do to correct something that is insidious ... Clearly these folks don't know anything about African Americans or the Bronx," he said.

Carrion, who just returned from a trip to Germany to promote Bronx tourism, said he would be willing to go back to talk to people in the German military about his borough.

"If we can get a delegation of German military officials to come or government officials, I will host them," he added. "I'll take them around the Bronx."

The Rev. Al Sharpton said he was outraged that Germans were "depicting blacks as target practice."

"I think this is an incredibly racist kind of insult to African-Americans and it speaks to the kind of institutional racism that people think we are hallucinating about," he said.

The existence of the video was first reported on the home page of the German news magazine Stern on Friday and excerpts were aired on the news television channel n-tv on Saturday.

According to Stern, the 90-second clip had been posted on a Web site used by soldiers to exchange private videos. A soldier who used the site alerted his superiors, the magazine reported.

The video is the latest embarrassment for the German army. Eighteen army instructors are currently on trial for allegedly abusing and humiliating 163 recruits in 2004. Last year, newspapers published photos of German soldiers in Afghanistan posing with a skulls — including one who exposed himself while holding a skull.

"We can no longer talk about an isolated case," said Lt. Juergen Rose of the Darmstaedter Signal, a group of current and former army officers and sergeants who independently review military procedures.

"Things like this don't happen in the army on an everyday basis, but unfortunately in recent years there have been a number of comparable incidents."

Carrion said he spent much of his visit to Germany telling people about the "turnaround of the Bronx," which became a national symbol of urban decay after a 1977 visit by President Jimmy Carter. Movies like "Fort Apache: The Bronx," about a police precinct overrun by crime, added to the negative images.

Unemployment and crime have fallen dramatically in the borough, while investment in housing, office space and other projects is way up, Carrion said. The New York Yankees are building a new stadium next to their old one in the borough, a 53,000-seat open-air ballpark that is set to open in 2009.

The people of the Bronx, especially black residents, "deserve an apology from the German military," Carrion said.
 
What I want to know is why isn't anyone wondering what the H*LL German soldiers are doing in the Bronx with machine guns!!!

They're not there....at least not yet. Maybe they'll be part of the UN Peacekeeper
force after a Shattered Union scenario.

In any case, I wonder how far the media will run with this considering they've
already got the oh-so-juicy and important Imus Filet Mignon to chew on. :rolleyes:

Discussing why the German army is training this way will be way too complicated
for the talking heads shows.

In any case, NYC's gun laws need to be repealed ASAP so my fellow Americans
will be able to defend themselves from the coming German/EU/UN invasion. ;)
 
Train as you fight, fight as you train.

It's good to see that the Bundeswehr is preparing for the looming conflict with foul mouthed brothers in the Bronx.

wait...
 
If your 0nly reference of America comes from Hollywood then New York is the most dangerous place on earth and American Blacks are the most dangerous people.

At least he said a van load of African Americans

We were taught to shoot gooks and ragheads in the 80s
 
Hard headed lot aint they?

Perhaps next time we will just forget any type of Marshall Plan? Hey we've got
Mercedes plants,and all the breweries we need!
Lets see Brit No.4mk1, 17 enfield,M1 all ready here!
robert
 
no wonder they are scared, I have found a picture of one of the guys who was driving the black van spittin yo momma jokes
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Hey there germans at least they didn't tell them to invision themselves in Isreal shooting people. We are making SOME progress.:neener:
 
Well, on the bright side, at least he didn't refer to them as 'nappy headed ho's'.

I think it's time for Sharpton and Jackson to get on a plane.
 
The Rev. Al Sharpton said he was outraged that Germans were "depicting blacks as target practice."

Everyone get to your SHTF bunker! This is a sign of the Apocalypse. For the first time in my life, I actually agree with Al Sharpton!


Seriously, this has to be the most idiotic thing I have read in a very long time.

Lets set the racism implications aside for one second:

Is this really what you are most threatened with in an organized army? A bunch of untrained civillians? I'd think that they'd be more worried about facing another trained force.

Second... What the hell are they doing training while envisioning fighting civillans PERIOD? Seems they are getting their SS skills up to par.

Third.... They SERIOUSLY may want to rethink envisioning fighting ANYONE in the USA. Seems history is easily forgotten. It didn't work out so well the last time that stunt was pulled.

Last I checked, we are allies currently. I can't imagine an acceptable scenerio where German troops would EVER be in the Bronx or anywhere else on US soil.


Finally.... I SERIOUSLY question the qualifications of the instructor. Let's see....

The clip shows an instructor and a soldier in camouflage uniforms in a forest. The instructor tells the soldier, "You are in the Bronx. A black van is stopping in front of you. Three African-Americans are getting out and they are insulting your mother in the worst ways. ... Act."


Let's see... Lets go out in the jungle and train for/envision urban combat scenerios. Yeah... makes a lot of sense.


I won't even talk about the racism, irrational fears, and stereotypes this represents. I could say it, but I'd just be wasting bandwith on things you are probably thinking yourselves.


John
 
What I want to know is why isn't anyone wondering what the H*LL German soldiers are doing in the Bronx with machine guns!!!

"There are certain sections of New York, Major, that I wouldn't advise you to try to invade."
 
Second... What the hell are they doing training while envisioning fighting civillans PERIOD? Seems they are getting their SS skills up to par.
The part that got me thinking was the "yelling obscenities" part. Why would you train for that? Was there a need to make the "training" that detailed; teaching English obscenities?:scrutiny:

Bizarre.
 
+1 on the strange scenerio training. Why would a soldier be shooting a civilian because he insulted the soldiers mother???

Hey there germans at least they didn't tell them to invision themselves in Isreal shooting people. We are making SOME progress.
I dunno if I'd call it progress. Its the same thing. I must admit that the German gov. has *seemed* to improve as of late. As far as the general population goes... I'm not so sure. It seems that all of Europe is becoming a big festering blister on the face of the earth that promotes racism and hate.
 
I mentioned this thread to my wife and she brought up a good point:

I'd wager that this is the result of media coverage in the aftermath of Katrina. Sure, we have had other episodes in our recent past, but Katrina is/was the newest media attention-grabber.

Whether they said "The Bronx," "New Orleans," or "LA" the imagery stems from the same recent memories I imagine.


Still... I'd say they have lost their freaking minds.


John
 
I love the stupidity of the black rights activists.. they are here in the states probably driving nice cars and living in big homes bashing white people WHILE there is STILL slavery in Africa. :banghead:
 
Three African-Americans are getting out and they are insulting your mother in the worst ways.
I wonder what german yo momma jokes are like? ihre mutter vas soooo fat she went to the dusseldorf cinema she sat next to everyone. ihre mutter is soooo ugly ven she cries the tears run down the back of her head beccause they are afraid of her face.

I appologise in advance for my crappy jokes.:neener:
 
Here's a link to the video. There's swearing in English, in case you don't want to hear that.

Here's a transcript a German speaker provided on another board:

I - Instructor
S - Soldier

I: Machine gun ready for combat, load <no idea how to translate that, Army stuff>
I: Don't forget the safety... good
I: Insert ammo belt... yes
I: Report!
S: Ready for combat!
I: You are security on an airfield. All of a sudden terrorists seize your airplane. Act! Two bursts of fire! Engage!
S: Where am I supposed to hold this? Can I put my hands there?
I: No, hold onto the support.
<Radio>
S: Ok! And now short bursts?
I: I want to see two bursts of fire! Two bursts of fire! Short ones!
<soldier shoots twice>
I: Safety! Good, the terrorists are dead. Ok, you are now in the Bronx. A black van stops in front of you. Three Afro-Americans exit the vehicle and really insult your mother.
<soldier laughs at the obvious joke>
I: I want to hear a loud M*****F***** before every burst.
<solider laughs again>
I: Act!
<soldier shoots, shouts m*****f*****>
I: LOUDER! GO ON!
<soldier shoots, shouts m*****f*****>

It sure sounds like they're just goofing around to me.
 
Targets

Historically, it's been common practice in training to dehumanize the enemy in order to make it easier for the average young conscript to bring deliberate fire on him with the intent of killing him.

In WW1 and WW2, the Germans were called "Krauts" and "Huns" among other things. The Japanese were depicted in editorial page caricatures as monkeys and buck-toothed, slant-eyed mindless savages bent on ravaging our wives and daughters. During Korea and the Vietnam conflict, the North Koreans, and the Viet Cong guerillas and the NVA regulars were called "Dinks" "Slopes" and "Gooks in the attempt to foster this dehumanization process and make it not only easier and more likely for our troops to shoot to kill...but to make it a task to be relished and even enjoyed.

On the Japanese-occupied Pacific islands, the soldiers had the natives convinced that the invading American soldiers and Marines were savage giants who would kill and eat them when they got there, prompting much of the civilian population to murder their children and commit suicide rather than be captured by the "American Cannibals."

Move on to the radical Islamic Jihadists, who have likely been taught from birth that we're "Infidels" and little better than cattle. Animals with disgusting personal habits...in their culture...that make it easy for their minions to kill even women and children without remorse.

I suspect that this follows the same mindset. To Anglo-Saxon Nordic and and Germanic Europeans, the Black/African American man has a decidedly "different" appearance...not "like" them at all...making the dehumanization mindset easier and faster to achieve and establish in their belief systems.

Finally..Fear. Fear and disgust of those who are perceived as different.
 
Unless Germany suddenly declares war against black people, this is a non-issue. It's two guys talking out their asses. I'm sure nobody else in the world has ever made a vaguely racist statement in their lifetimes :rolleyes:

"Three black guys getting out of a van shouting 'your mama' jokes... shoot shoot mf-er."

Hardly constitutes a threat. Looks like two doofuses trying to be cool or funny.

The president of the Bronx, the New York City borough that the army instructor referred to in his directions to the soldier, demanded an apology from the German military and said the clip "indicates that bias and assumptions and racism is alive and well around the world."

Alive and well? Hardly. As if there were no racism alive and well in NYC... here's a notion, if liberals like this fellow above want to "improve our world image that has been damaged by the Bush administration" so much, why don't we stop acting like eunichs and demanding apologies for every stupid little incident that could be vaguely offensive to a small handful of people.

If Sharpton really wanted to do something for Europe besides grab a sound bite for himself, he'd ask the French why they still use the word "negre" instead of "noir".
 
They can't demonize the Communists, since half of Germany used to be Communist. Jews now have more and better weapons than the Germans, so who does that leave???
 
I: Safety! Good, the terrorists are dead. Ok, you are now in the Bronx. A black van stops in front of you. Three Afro-Americans exit the vehicle and really insult your mother.


My God... they really DO think the A-Team is coming to get them. I wonder if the van he envisions has a gawd-aweful spoiler on it.

I pity the fools!



I love the stupidity of the black rights activists.. they are here in the states probably driving nice cars and living in big homes bashing white people WHILE there is STILL slavery in Africa.

I am no fan of Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, or a host of others who sell victimization as a cottage industry but I think this is way off the point.

Whether there is slavery in Africa or not is irrelevant. Whether there is hypocrisy in some "black rights activists" is also irrelevant.

I franky don't see this as "bashing white people," and I'd be one of the first to call it out if I saw it that way. I call a spade a spade-- I don't like double standards applied in any situation-- or should I say if there will be prejudice/racism, then let it be on a completely even playing field with all bets off and no one appologizing for anything.

They may have been playing around, and from that transcript, I am inclined to believe that there wasn't a great deal of thought put into the training session.

I just think that it is idiotic that someone chooses to use imagery of a van-ful of African-Americans as a threat situation worthy of training visualization.

I'd think the same thing if they had said a Ford-150 with a Rebel Flag license plate pulled up with a number of good ole boys jumped out with firearms.

And I still think that an urban scenerio would be better for urban combat training. But that's just me.



It seems that all of Europe is becoming a big festering blister on the face of the earth that promotes racism and hate.

Europe is a mess right now. I don't have the time to go looking for the pictures, but I've seen numerous protests in the UK with muslims holding up VERY radical signs advocating violence and death to anyone who is not muslim. In response, there has been increasing support for policital groups such as the British Nationalist Party. Tensions seem to be increasing greatly in Europe over immigration, national identity, etc. I don't know what is going to happen over there.


John
 
I really don't how to react to this.......its so silly I want to laugh, yet at the same time I feel some what concerned...:uhoh:

"Germans troops parachute over the Bronx" now that would be a headline:eek:
 
I heard way worse thing than that in boot camp, I'm sure the "media" and Al Sharpton would cream if they heard half of our marching cadences. Civilians are clueless and DI's are retarded, it all boils down to Al Sharpton looking for the latest scandle.

Maybe the only black man from the Bronx the rest of the world has seen is 50 Cent.

Come on everybody, lets get offended.
 
Takin' Offense

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>Come on everybody, lets get offended.<
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I'm with ya on that. I've heard it all...seen it all...been called all the names associated with my particular ethnic background...and I'm too old to get offended by words and monikers. 'Long as they don't shoot at me. Now, that's offensive...:scrutiny:
 
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