Get rid of your ATM receipts

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Soybomb

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It sounds like the guy in the trunk may well have had opportunity to escape but it does bring about an interesting point of leaving things in your car or wallet that might indicate your "value"

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/ne...4F60F922C7ED14A186257219001767D3?OpenDocument

CAHOKIA — Laundry night for a 55-year-old Dupo man turned into a four-day ride in the trunk of his car and the loss of $3,000.

The bizarre ordeal began about 10 p.m. Oct. 24 as the man was leaving a Laundromat on Camp Jackson Road, police said Tuesday.

Two men armed with a sawed-off shotgun approached him and forced him into his 2005 Chevrolet Cavalier. A few blocks later, the man was told to climb into the trunk, where he stayed for the better part of four days.

The two kidnapping suspects dug through the glove box and found an ATM receipt showing a hefty balance.

"That's the only reason they kept him around," said Sauget Police Chief Patrick Delaney, whose department got involved in the case during a police pursuit Monday morning involving the victim's car. "He had a pretty substantial amount of money in a bank account."

With that knowledge, police said, the men drove from ATM to ATM, letting the man out to make withdrawals. Over the four days, the men forced the victim to withdraw $3,000.

The suspects let the man out of the trunk to use the restroom, and they fed him once a day.

"They would ask him what he wanted to eat, and it was fast-food type places," Delaney said. After four days, however, the man escaped and called police. He was not injured.

On Monday morning, two men believed to be the same suspects who kidnapped the Dupo man approached a woman in her car in the parking lot of a White Castle restaurant on Natural Bridge Road in Berkeley. One of the men got in the car and ordered the woman to drive while the other man followed in the Cavalier taken from the Cahokia Laundromat.

The woman wrestled with the gunman and the shotgun discharged. No one was struck, but a Bel-Ridge police officer parked on a nearby lot heard the shot and tried to pull over both cars. The gunman, 23, of East St. Louis, jumped out of the woman's car and ran off. He was still at large Tuesday evening.

The driver of the Cavalier, a 25-year-old from Cahokia, drove off, leading police on a 100 mph chase on Interstate 70 and across the Poplar Street Bridge onto Illinois Route 3 into Sauget. Two tires on the Cavalier blew out and the man jumped out. Police arrested him in a baseball field near Queeny Avenue and Falling Springs Road.

Police from Cahokia and Sauget are expected to seek charges today with the St. Clair County state's attorney's office. Berkeley police said they would hold off on presenting their case to St. Louis County prosecutors until the second man is in custody. Police said the two men might have been involved in other crimes in other jurisdictions last week.

Police said the likely charges would be kidnapping, armed robbery, unlawful restraint, unlawful possession of a firearm by a felon, and fleeing police. The man in custody was on parole for a previous carjacking and will be sent back to prison, Delaney said.

Delaney said the two men were staking out the shopping center where the Laundromat is located.

"They had been casing the place," Delaney said. "He (the victim) was scared to death that they were going to kill him. He didn't know if they were going to rob him in the strip mall or pull a carjacking. He probably had the nicest car on the Laundromat parking lot."

In Berkeley, the original plan was to hold up the White Castle, "where only four young employees were working and they thought it would be very easy," Delaney said, referring to the suspect's statement. "Why they switched to (carjacking) the young lady, I don't know."

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Hey, that's in my neck of the woods. If those guys forced me into my own trunk they would be catching a .45 round in the teeth the next time they opened it.
Cahokia is much safer, we don't need to carry here :evil: ;)
 
Laundry night for a 55-year-old Dupo man turned into a four-day ride in the trunk of his car and the loss of $3,000.
The woman wrestled with the gunman

Moral of the story, when your life is in imminant danger, resist. It's fiscally responsible too.
 
There is something folks have to keep, with vital information , and most have never thought about how vulnerable they are because they are required to have it. This item is easy to access. Instead of a car trunk, one is vulnerable at home, and may never know they are being stalked, or the when or if this item will be used against them.

I know how this works very well. One lady was surprised in her home, while taking a shower. Another lady was stalked. One gentleman suffered "some happenings" including injuries, vandalism and his kids were in danger....etc.

Give up?

Vehicle registration and proof of insurance.

Good looking lady, or teenage daughter, maybe someone with keys to a bank branch office, or business. Who looks in your glove-box or over the visor when your car is at the car wash, being repaired, or when you use valet parking?

They know where you live. Some have key machines at car washes or repair shops or...

Think out of the box...
Think like a thief...

Whatcha gonna do?... Whatcha gonna do? - Rosie Greer to Richard Pryor as Pryor lay in the hospital bed after freebase turned to firebase .

;)
 
If you follow this logic, you should just get rid of your ATM card, since almost everyone has enough of a balance to justify one withdrawal. Once they get that first withdrawal, they'll know what your balance is.
 
The ransom of a man's life is his wealth, but a poor man hears no threat.

(that's Proverbs 13:8 BTW)
 
LOL. Not at the situation...I get giddy and do that sometimes, leave my ATM recipet at the machine with the fat balance. I grew up poor and worked very hard to get to where I am today, so it's kind of a treat for me every once in a while.

Anyway, back at the ranch, this is a lesson that if your ATM machine offers a quick withdrawal option, use it. My BofA account is set for a specific amount for 'fast cash' and no reciept. ATM visits are 30 seconds (literally) and as soon as I get the money, I just drive off. No reciept to wait for, no "would you like another transaction".
 
Big Gay Al said:
Ok, so maybe I should put my .357 in the trunk, in a good hiding spot?
Most new cars these days seem to have one of those strings you pull to unlatch the trunk in case you get locked in for whatever reason. Seems like it would be easy enough to rig something like this up even if your car doesn't come with one. A mechanism to unlock the trunk plus a tool (knife, gun, tire iron, screwdriver, etc.) would have helped in this case.
 
Me being killed wasn't a big secret when I was kidnapped. Assuming it was then being told to get in my trunk would sure be reason enough for me to apply deadly force.
 
Maybe it is just me, but the more progress we make, the less privacy it seems we have.

I mean we have so much "need" for all sorts of things we didn't used to, we have less privacy and security in some respects.

ATMs started this thread. I tossed in vehicle registration and insurance.

Okay it is has been said to me, A thief already owns what you have, just a matter of when they choose to get it. .

Follow me if you will. My Social Security card says "not for personal identification" on the front.
SSN is used for College ID, Employee ID, Health Ins ID and the list goes on.

I used to use a big book in business , before Internet, to find Names, Addresses , Where folks worked, where they lived , how long and so forth.

Not for illegal reasons, Just if I had a customer leave a item, let us say an umbrella , and I all I had was their name and where they worked, I could look up the name, see this name worked at the company they said they worked for, call the phone number and inform them they left their umbrella at my business.
I mean folks did leave briefcases, eyeglasses, diaper bags...

I mean all legal this directory, we did not abuse it, or spam with it. Spam was meat in a tin can and that was all Spam was.

Now you can find an employee badge, get the SSN off it , do some digging and get some serious damaging information.

Stolen Credit cards. Bad deal right? These folks are not covered by FDIC, they take measures to protect folks...

Here is the racket, stolen checks. FDIC covers this. These check stealing folks are sharp. Take the routing number off one check, account number of others, add fake names, print nice checks and only write them for the amount under where businesses do a "Check-Rite" check.

$25 to $50 a check, at little stores and guess who repays the business for the bad check, FDIC.

Gangs get together and exchange routing numbers and account numbers. After a tornado, or other disaster, folks looking for checkbooks, to heck with Credit Cards, or other valuables, this check deal is sweet.

I mean in everyday life now, we have so much more that works against us than we used to.

Now adults take steps to be secure, shred bank statements, credit card bills, utility bills with SSN and account numbers.

Go look at your 3rd graders backpack and see if a letter from school has their SSN on it.
Go online and check out their class / school website , the one where where parents get notices, see grades, are kept informed of student's progress, and even the child's class.

Is your child's SSN right there on that page with everyone's else's SSN in their class with address and phone number?

It takes 5 minutes using Internet, to find more information. If you pay a fee, you can find even more about the parents. If any legal stuff going on, court dates, been married before and ex's names.

My point is, ATM security is important and serious. There a LOT of other ways one can be a victim.

"Oh lookee here, this 3 rd grader has a bigger sister, and she goes to HS here and ..."

"Oh lookee here, this 3rd grader's mom is a branch bank mgr at this location"

Might be a good idea to check into these things, so someday daughter or wife does not fail to come home as scheduled.

Think like a thief
 
Until recently, yes, insurance cards had your SSN number on it. Sometime last year, the health insurance we use, changed because of a policy or new gov't ruling or something. ALL insurance cards that used SSN were replaced by new cards with a different number, and we were instructed to destroy the old cards.

So far, I don't even think I had to put my sons' SSN on the school information cards. So no, they've not come home with anything from school with their SSN numbers.

I don't know if they still do this, but Indiana used to use your SSN as your DL #. They'd add a letter at the end, I think. Or maybe it was in front of your SSN, I don't recall all the details.

And, when I was in the army, no more serial numbers, they use your SSN. That was 1974. I don't know if the military still does that or not.

But there are still a ton of ways for people to get your SSN. Not that it would do anyone any good to get mine. I think my credit rating is in negative numbers. ;)
 
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