Get your bulletproof vests ASAP because media is looking to get them banned

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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/04/28/eveningnews/main614601.shtml

Body Armor Gives Felons Upper Hand

CBS) On any given night in the city of New Orleans, special operations officers have also become the fashion police, because, CBS News Correspondent Lee Cowan reports, what a suspect might be wearing these days has officers worried.

"Some of their vests even have better capability in stopping bullets than what we have," says New Orleans Police Lt. Mike Cahn

One of the vests he's talking about can stop an AK-47 round and is just one of some two dozen seized from criminals this year alone.

"I look at the body armor thing as being almost as serious as carrying a gun," says New Orleans Police Superintendent Edwin Paulcompess.

Seven years ago, when police shot it out with armored bank robbers in North Hollywood, it proved that not only could police be out-gunned but also out-protected.

One vest maker advertises its equipment by showing a man shooting himself, so it's no wonder that criminals think that vests can make them invincible.

That kind of insurance is all over the Internet and marketed not just to police professionals.

Some of the vests recently confiscated had gang logos embroidered on the front, appearing to taunt police officers into a confrontation.

Which is why police want to make them harder to get.

There's already a federal law prohibiting felons from buying or even possessing body armor, but few, if any, background checks are ever done, and tracking the vests is nearly impossible.

For example, CBS News purchased a used vest off the Internet for less than $250. The only background check was a credit card number. The only question: "Where do you want it mailed?"

This might explain how one man, a convicted felon, got his vest before robbing a New Orleans credit union.

"I think the vest made him more aggressive," says detective Claude Nixon.

He was so aggressive that he chose to face down Nixon in a gun battle rather than flee.

"They think they're God, and they just start firing at anything and everything that's moving - police officers, citizens, it doesn't matter," says Nixon.

Body armor has certainly saved more lives than it's hurt, a victim of its own success in the streets.

"They're prepared to go to war out here, and what we're trying to do is handle ourselves the best we can during that war," says Cahn.

The dilemma is how to protect those who serve without protecting those who don't.
 
The dilemma is how to protect those who serve without protecting those who don't.

Now... that's a telling line. By being an upstanding member of the community, certainly not a criminal, paying a crapload of taxes, and being prepared for my own safety makes me LESS deserving of body armor than a police officer? How? How in the heck can anybody rationalize this? I walk the SAME streets as LE does! I drive through the day in and day out just like they do. Does not having flashy lights on my car suddently make me invulnerable to violence?

It's a fricking piece of CLOTH meant to stop a bullet.

Shall we advocate paper-thins doors for serfs now so the law can break them down easier? No law abiding man needs to worry about protecting themselves obviously. it's not like a CRIMINAL would break down our door... just like criminals won't shoot at us. We don't have the blue uniform.

Whoever wrote that needs a swift kick to the backside and a hand upside their head, pronto.
 
Another misdirected paranoid dellusion. This is just one article by one person in the media about some real life (and death) issues faced by cops dealing with body armor clab bad guys. The media is not trying to get bulletproof vests banned. It is just one writer who is expressing the concerns and quotes of some police officers.

You gotta love the statemet that body armor has saved more lives than it has cost. Given that body armor isn't actually used as a tool to actually inflicted damage, then it really isn't and can't be taking lives.
 
::::::"I look at the body armor thing as being almost as serious as carrying a gun," says New Orleans Police Superintendent Edwin Paulcompess.::::::

this guy is a visionary protector of individual liberties:rolleyes:
BSR
 
Seems like we are moving closer and closer to Feudal Europe.
Ban serfs from owning armor.
Ban serfs from owning weapons or ammunition that can easily defeat armor.
Heavily armed and armored and highly trained warriors at local, state, and federal levels to enforce laws.
 
The ever widening gap between the serfs and the elite. Us mere peasants shouldn't even be allowed a passive resistance to being shot.

At least we don't live in a police state. :rolleyes:
 
Texas body armor laws.

PC §46.041. UNLAWFUL POSSESSION OF METAL OR BODY
ARMOR BY FELON. (a) In this section, "metal or body armor"
means any body covering manifestly designed, made, or adapted for
the purpose of protecting a person against gunfire.
(b) A person who has been convicted of a felony commits an
offense if after the conviction the person possesses metal or body
armor.
(c) An offense under this section is a felony of the third degree.

page 37http://www.tcht.net/chl_laws_2004.pdf
 
Glad I already have three vests stacked in the closet! :D
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I don't see them ever making it a crime to posses body armor for normal people, but they might restrict sales.

Like infrared lasers. Why can't you buy one? All I know is it says military/LE only, but I don't think it's a crime to posses one?
 
The dilemma is how to protect those who serve without protecting those who don't.

Serve what? The Imperial Government? I can't believe I actually read this.



"I look at the body armor thing as being almost as serious as carrying a gun," says New Orleans Police Superintendent Edwin Paulcompess.

Yeah, didn't you see the new crime category called "drive-by armoring?"



Body armor has certainly saved more lives than it's hurt, a victim of its own success in the streets.
:confused:

The dilemma is how to protect those who serve without protecting those who don't.

To reiterate, are the police some god-like deity that deserve special protections because "they serve."
 
do it.... EBAY!!!! :D

Seriously though, body armor??? What part of "Brady's Big Plan Of World Disarmorment" does this fit into? Make it easier for the .gov to shoot you?

Nick
 
Didn't you read the part of the constitution where LEOs are guaranteed "safety" over civil liberties of all others? Next up: ban clothes cause you can hide a gun under them.

Apparently "gangbangers" also have enumerated rights. Instead of taking down the gangbangers, they are more worried about the inanimate obects they wear: the vest.
 
Not to worry. My vest arrived at the uniform shop this morning, and is now in my possesion. I'm good for three years or so. After that, if they're illegal...
Well, at that point, I guess I'll have to mug a cop and take his.:neener:
 
The dilemma is how to protect those who serve without protecting those who don't.
Is the same talking heads whom got their wool knotted , maybe even sheared, because they got into trouble telling "everybody" where our troops were going to be in Iraq? I thought so. Didn't seem to be a "dilemma" to air postions that "protected" our enemies...put our troops in harms way...

Well muzzles for talking heads would work, might be percieved as infringment on talking heads 1A though.

How about we offer a trade , a firearm for a TV set? Folks might take responsibilty for self and not have the abiity to listen to Talking heads. BGs got guns and Vests...I've always been for makin the playing field even. so if current laws are not enforced, increase the firearms of the populace.

One less something for the BGs to steal...the TVs...

How about unsubcribe to sheeple news rags and the homeowner gets a Vest in return...in case of no knock warrants and wrong addy...

Just Ideas...
 
There are these vest dealers at the shows here in Kali that keep saying vests are going to be outlawed. Asided from typical alarmist liberal media crap, is there really any legislation out there that's going to ban vests?

OT: IIRC, Kevlarman's mauser is a Yugo, right?
 
I still can't see why people want a vest... If they want one, more power to them, but I hate my vest more than any other piece of gear I own. They are hot, stiff, uncomfortable, fail to stop bullets from time to time, are only good for SOME handgun rounds anyway, expire every 5 years, and only cover a small part of your upper torso. Anybody that thinks their armor will give them immunity from incoming fire is lying to themselves. I have seen tests where commercially available handgun rounds routinely penetrated vests, not to mention that any US Made commercial vest will do almost nothing for Frag protection... But I guess that if someone has a bunch of extra $$$ that they want to spend...
 
I still can't see why people want a vest... If they want one, more power to them, but I hate my vest more than any other piece of gear I own. They are hot, stiff, uncomfortable, fail to stop bullets from time to time, are only good for SOME handgun rounds anyway, expire every 5 years, and only cover a small part of your upper torso. Anybody that thinks their armor will give them immunity from incoming fire is lying to themselves. I have seen tests where commercially available handgun rounds routinely penetrated vests, not to mention that any US Made commercial vest will do almost nothing for Frag protection... But I guess that if someone has a bunch of extra $$$ that they want to spend...

Hmmm, I guess somebody should have told those North Hollywood guys not to bother with vests....
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I've been wearing one off and on for the better part of 5 years now. I don't really find them that uncomfortable. It's important to have them fitted correctly. Better some protection than none.
But, if you hate yours, why not ship it to me? I'll pay shipping.... :neener:
 
If it wasn't an issue item, you could have it! We get Safariland 3As that are 100% Spectra and are about 3/4 of an inch thick, very stiff, and not effective at all against contact shots or fragmentation (Both of which are a very real threat for us). I am thinking hard about buying my own from Pinnacle Armor. They actually make several unique vests, one of which is a soft vest that will reliably stop 7.62! That vest is heavy, but it beats the hard plate vests that we have to use currently if we want rifle protection and it covers a wider area than the plate. I have learned one thing though, Kevlar is the way to go...maybe Twaron, but no more Spectra, Goldflex, or Zylon.
 
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