Giving something up w/o getting anything in return isn't "compromise," it's surrender

[cuchulainn]

In order for it to be invective, it must be directed at someone.

Wrong.

in·vec·tive n.
Denunciatory or abusive language; vituperation.
Denunciatory or abusive expression or discourse.
www.dictionary.com

Like I said, you're equivocating.

You used invective, and it does nothing but drive people away.

 

[Bartholomew Roberts]

No one is dismissive of anything. And it's kind of hard to have a "no compromise" strategy when the largest pro-gun organization in the country compromises, isn't it?

But there are "no compromise" organizations besides the NRA right? Surely they have accomplished some things... I think we all realize the NRA has more resources. I would just like to see some examples of what has been accomplished using this approach and compare it with what has been accomplished using other approaches.

 

[cuchulainn]

And before this thread gets shutdown too:

This is not about Monday morning quarterbacking, but about stopping KABA from undermining the Silveira case.

Perhaps I am wrong, but it really seems like the KABA-ites are so caught up on feeling persecuted that they cannot see legitimate criticism.

KABA people -- whether you want to believe it or not -- YOU are hurting Silveira. YOU are driving away potential allies. YOU are undermining our confidence in your ability to be the lead organization on this case. YOU are making us be taken aback at your apparent lack of control and professionalism. YOU are lending credence to your detractors' claims that this case will backfire.

 

[Tempest]

in·vec·tive n.
Denunciatory or abusive language; vituperation.
Denunciatory or abusive expression or discourse.
www.dictionary.com

Like I said, you're equivocating.

You used invective, and it does nothing but drive people away.

I am SO sick and tired of this lunatic nitpicking! If I throw a bunch of curses into the air, just for the hell of it, are you really going to accuse me of hurling invective at someone? No. You're simply going to take them as curses, regardless of their dictionary definition. If I describe certain actions using strong language, are you really going to accuse me of hurling invective at someone? I would hope not, because that would be intellectually dishonest. If you are, that's your choice. It doesn't mean I have to agree with it, or justify it to you.

Look, if the way I speak/write turns you off, so be it. I don't aim to please everyone all of the time. But I don't see it at all as being deleterious to our cause. If you do, that's your opinion, and you are welcome to it. Good bye.

But there are "no compromise" organizations besides the NRA right? Surely they have accomplished some things... I think we all realize the NRA has more resources. I would just like to see some examples of what has been accomplished using this approach and compare it with what has been accomplished using other approaches.

GOA is one no-compromise organization that I have enormous respect for. Are you going to tell me they have accomplished nothing? I don't have time to do a much longer, researched post as to GOA's accomplishments, as I'm at the office and I actually have to go do some work. But I would dare say GOA wouldn't be a strong force in the 2A arena if they weren't effective. Gotta run. Later.

 

[Bartholomew Roberts]

Are you going to tell me they have accomplished nothing?

No, I'm not... I am going to ask you (or anyone else) for the third time to give me some examples of what no compromise organizations have accomplished. Specific examples of where they accomplished something that could not have been done as quickly by the NRA would be particularly appreciated.

Since these groups SHOULD be working together much of the time, I think incidents where they departed from the NRA stance as being too compromising and were still successful would be particularly useful.

I don't have time to do a much longer, researched post as to GOA's accomplishments, as I'm at the office and I actually have to go do some work.

I can wait. I'm sure a longer, researched post detailing GOAs accomplishments will be useful to all of us in assessing what approach works best and fits our own individual talents.

 

[cuchulainn]

FWIW, I really am saying this out of friendship

Look, if the way I speak/write turns you off, so be it.

Well, you're turning off more than me. You're turning off a lot of people.

YOU are failing at your responsibility (as part of the Silveira activists) to behave in a professional and calm manner. YOU are turning people away from supporting Silveira. Thus, YOU are undermining Silveira.

But "so be it" right?

Do you really think that such behavior is beyond the notice of the Justices and if noticed that it won't color their opinion of the case -- especially the opinion of the potentially two or three fence-sitting Justices?

Do you understand how howling screeds -- especially those like Williamson's -- can be turned against you, or worse, against the case?

Cripes, you guys have a responsibility to keep that from happening, yet your response is "so be it?"

If I throw a bunch of curses into the air, just for the hell of it, are you really going to accuse me of hurling invective at someone? No.

Well, I am going to say you are hurling invectives (whether at someone is beside the point), and I'm going point out that such behavior gives the appearance of that the people leading the Silveira case are not in control -- and that undermines the case.

I am SO sick and tired of this lunatic nitpicking!

Too bad. YOU put yourself in the limelight, and I'm going to keep criticizing behavior that I see as undermining the case.

And incidentally, as for "nitpicking," it's not just a word here or there. It's the entire tone that KABA puts up. It drives away some people and undermines the confidence of others.

 

[LawDog]

Oh, joy. Not only a lesson in semantics, but also one in grammar.

Unfortunately, this isn't a board dedicated to the proper use of the English language, and invectives contained therein.

Closed for thread veer.

LawDog