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Firing Blind
OCTOBER 25, 2007
Fox News Article that started debate
Giuliani: Blind Should Be Able to Carry Guns
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,304838,00.html
GLENN BECK PROGRAM
BEGIN TRANSCRIPT
GLENN: Here's something else that probably, probably won't get a lot of coverage and that is the students that are all around the country now in colleges that are wearing empty holsters on their waists. They're wearing empty holsters in protest that they're not allowed to carry guns on campus. I warn you guys, it's going to make you a target. I mean, oh, you're the evil hatemonger with the empty holster.
And Rudy Giuliani, just to let you know, he is so okay with your Second Amendment that he told a town hall meeting in Northwestern New Hampshire that you don't have to worry; you have a constitutional right; it is protected and bear and carry arms; it's the Second Amendment. If somebody disagrees with that, you have to get the Constitution changed.
It was actually, it was actually a question asked by a former police officer who is no longer a police officer because he was wounded in the line of duty and he's blind. Now, I'm a pretty big gun guy. I love the Second Amendment, but I'm pretty sure that if you're blind, you probably shouldn't have a gun. Just, I'm not -- you can convince me the other way. Let me go to Mountain Man Adam. Adam, biggest Second Amendment guy I know. Blind people, and I'm not talking about, well, I can't really drive at night. I mean blind people. Guns?
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ADAM: Well, I think they have a right to own guns. I think that it falls to responsible use of guns.
GLENN: Okay, here. You have a right to own guns and you want to shoot somebody in your own house? I guess, I mean, you know, I can't take your right away to own a firearm in your own house, but you certainly are not going to get a right to carry it around in the streets. I mean, how are you -- you're blind.
ADAM: Yeah. And I think that again that falls with the responsible ownership. There are shooting sports for blind people where they actually shoot targets and they have a set of eyes so they can enjoy the sport.
GLENN: "Target over here, target over here, target over here. I mean, I don't think if somebody is going to do -- unless they have really squeaky shoes, if you're blind, you could probably move around. You know what I mean? Move? Maybe -- I mean, I'm just saying. As a blanket statement, as a blanket statement. I'm sure --
STU: Glenn, I didn't know that we -- I was reading the Constitution today. I didn't see the part that we take the constitutional rights away for disabilities. I didn't --
GLENN: I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Do you have a -- first of all, you don't have a right -- I want to make sure this is clear. You don't have a right, you know, it's not in the Constitution that you can drive a car, but we don't give blind people driver's license.
STU: Yeah, you're right.
GLENN: There's some things that you can't do.
STU: You are right, it's not a constitutionally guaranteed right. So that wouldn't apply here. I'm just saying if you want to take it away --
GLENN: Hang on. Let's take a vote.
STU: People with ADD shouldn't have -- let's just pick the ailment and decide what right you lose with that ailment.
GLENN: Hang on just a second. Adam, you're blind. Should you have a concealed weapon permit? Should you be able to walk around with a gun? You're blind.
ADAM: No. Again I think that goes to responsible gun ownership and in order to have a concealed weapons permit, you have to qualify for it.
GLENN: If there's anybody --
STU: You qualify for it. Is that Thomas Jefferson?
GLENN: If there's anybody that -- you're telling me so you are for blind people having guns?
STU: No, I'm just trying to piss you off.
GLENN: All right, good. Dan, we should do a freak jury on this. Let's open up the lines. Are you for blind people -- again, if you're blind, you live in your house, I'm going to -- I'm not going to stop you from owning a gun in your house. Are you for that, Stu?
STU: I have no idea. Because I mean, in all seriousness, you know, I'm not really making that argument. Like, it doesn't seem sensible to me for blind people to have guns because you can see what you're shooting at. That's the --
GLENN: Blind people can -- you know, people, they can hear things and get in the general range. But you don't -- I mean, you don't know who's behind you, around there. Also you don't -- I mean, you've got to be able to have eyes.
STU: If it's in the Constitution, a guaranteed right to arms, you're able to arm yourself.
GLENN: Isn't this going to the common sense part of things?
STU: If they want to give it up --
GLENN: You just say, I mean, how about if I say I could put a talking device into a car that would be able to help people drive so they know where they are all the time, would you say, yeah, go ahead; Mr. Blind guy, go ahead, get behind the wheel of the car?
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This has been solutions for the blind on the Glenn Beck program.
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GLENN: Wait a minute. In Texas?
STU: I don't -- I'm reading it right now. We're going now, you know, looking around for blind gun stories and there's one at least from December of last year where there's a representative from Texas who is introducing an amendment that would allow blind people to hunt game using laser sights. So like, the person standing next to you go, now! Like when the laser sight --
GLENN: See, hunting game is different.
STU: I mean, I don't --
GLENN: Hunting game is different. We're talking about -- we're talking about Rudy Giuliani, a guy who only okayed, like, 750 concealed weapons permits for the entire city of New York City, okay? Only 750 people were allowed to carry guns under Rudy Giuliani in a city of, what, 18 million? He's in New Hampshire and he says no one has a right to tell you you can't carry a gun to a blind guy! We're not talking about owning a gun. We're not talking about going hunting with a gun. We're talking about a concealed weapons permit so blind people can carry guns on the street. Rudy, what -- who are you? What happened?
END TRANSCRIPT
OCTOBER 25, 2007
Fox News Article that started debate
Giuliani: Blind Should Be Able to Carry Guns
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,304838,00.html
GLENN BECK PROGRAM
BEGIN TRANSCRIPT
GLENN: Here's something else that probably, probably won't get a lot of coverage and that is the students that are all around the country now in colleges that are wearing empty holsters on their waists. They're wearing empty holsters in protest that they're not allowed to carry guns on campus. I warn you guys, it's going to make you a target. I mean, oh, you're the evil hatemonger with the empty holster.
And Rudy Giuliani, just to let you know, he is so okay with your Second Amendment that he told a town hall meeting in Northwestern New Hampshire that you don't have to worry; you have a constitutional right; it is protected and bear and carry arms; it's the Second Amendment. If somebody disagrees with that, you have to get the Constitution changed.
It was actually, it was actually a question asked by a former police officer who is no longer a police officer because he was wounded in the line of duty and he's blind. Now, I'm a pretty big gun guy. I love the Second Amendment, but I'm pretty sure that if you're blind, you probably shouldn't have a gun. Just, I'm not -- you can convince me the other way. Let me go to Mountain Man Adam. Adam, biggest Second Amendment guy I know. Blind people, and I'm not talking about, well, I can't really drive at night. I mean blind people. Guns?
RELATED STORY
Giuliani: Blind Should Be Able to Carry Guns
'You have a constitutional right, that is protected, to bear and carry arms'
ADAM: Well, I think they have a right to own guns. I think that it falls to responsible use of guns.
GLENN: Okay, here. You have a right to own guns and you want to shoot somebody in your own house? I guess, I mean, you know, I can't take your right away to own a firearm in your own house, but you certainly are not going to get a right to carry it around in the streets. I mean, how are you -- you're blind.
ADAM: Yeah. And I think that again that falls with the responsible ownership. There are shooting sports for blind people where they actually shoot targets and they have a set of eyes so they can enjoy the sport.
GLENN: "Target over here, target over here, target over here. I mean, I don't think if somebody is going to do -- unless they have really squeaky shoes, if you're blind, you could probably move around. You know what I mean? Move? Maybe -- I mean, I'm just saying. As a blanket statement, as a blanket statement. I'm sure --
STU: Glenn, I didn't know that we -- I was reading the Constitution today. I didn't see the part that we take the constitutional rights away for disabilities. I didn't --
GLENN: I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Do you have a -- first of all, you don't have a right -- I want to make sure this is clear. You don't have a right, you know, it's not in the Constitution that you can drive a car, but we don't give blind people driver's license.
STU: Yeah, you're right.
GLENN: There's some things that you can't do.
STU: You are right, it's not a constitutionally guaranteed right. So that wouldn't apply here. I'm just saying if you want to take it away --
GLENN: Hang on. Let's take a vote.
STU: People with ADD shouldn't have -- let's just pick the ailment and decide what right you lose with that ailment.
GLENN: Hang on just a second. Adam, you're blind. Should you have a concealed weapon permit? Should you be able to walk around with a gun? You're blind.
ADAM: No. Again I think that goes to responsible gun ownership and in order to have a concealed weapons permit, you have to qualify for it.
GLENN: If there's anybody --
STU: You qualify for it. Is that Thomas Jefferson?
GLENN: If there's anybody that -- you're telling me so you are for blind people having guns?
STU: No, I'm just trying to piss you off.
GLENN: All right, good. Dan, we should do a freak jury on this. Let's open up the lines. Are you for blind people -- again, if you're blind, you live in your house, I'm going to -- I'm not going to stop you from owning a gun in your house. Are you for that, Stu?
STU: I have no idea. Because I mean, in all seriousness, you know, I'm not really making that argument. Like, it doesn't seem sensible to me for blind people to have guns because you can see what you're shooting at. That's the --
GLENN: Blind people can -- you know, people, they can hear things and get in the general range. But you don't -- I mean, you don't know who's behind you, around there. Also you don't -- I mean, you've got to be able to have eyes.
STU: If it's in the Constitution, a guaranteed right to arms, you're able to arm yourself.
GLENN: Isn't this going to the common sense part of things?
STU: If they want to give it up --
GLENN: You just say, I mean, how about if I say I could put a talking device into a car that would be able to help people drive so they know where they are all the time, would you say, yeah, go ahead; Mr. Blind guy, go ahead, get behind the wheel of the car?
VOICE: And now, more solutions for the blind. Product Number 7, a car for the blind. (Car revving up) Computer: You're driving on pavement, you're driving on pavement, you're driving on pavement, you're driving on pavement, you're driving on pavement, you're driving on the white line, you're driving on pavement, you're driving on pavement, you're driving on pavement, you're driving on the sidewalk, you're driving on pavement, you're driving on pavement, you're driving on pavement, you're driving on pavement (crash), you're driving in the shopping mall, you're driving in the shopping mall, you're driving in the shopping mall, you're driving in the shopping mall (crash). (Car revving.) You're driving on pavement, you're driving on pavement, you're driving on pavement, you're driving on pavement. (Crash). That was a school bus.
This has been solutions for the blind on the Glenn Beck program.
(commercial)
GLENN: Wait a minute. In Texas?
STU: I don't -- I'm reading it right now. We're going now, you know, looking around for blind gun stories and there's one at least from December of last year where there's a representative from Texas who is introducing an amendment that would allow blind people to hunt game using laser sights. So like, the person standing next to you go, now! Like when the laser sight --
GLENN: See, hunting game is different.
STU: I mean, I don't --
GLENN: Hunting game is different. We're talking about -- we're talking about Rudy Giuliani, a guy who only okayed, like, 750 concealed weapons permits for the entire city of New York City, okay? Only 750 people were allowed to carry guns under Rudy Giuliani in a city of, what, 18 million? He's in New Hampshire and he says no one has a right to tell you you can't carry a gun to a blind guy! We're not talking about owning a gun. We're not talking about going hunting with a gun. We're talking about a concealed weapons permit so blind people can carry guns on the street. Rudy, what -- who are you? What happened?
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