Glock 19 or Walther PPQ

[KAcwby06]

I'm fixing to buy a new pistol in either one of these platforms. I have owned both in 40 and loved them both almost equally. I was just curious to hear some input from different perspectives. Thanks again for the help.

 

[KAcwby06]

I forgot two mention, even though it probably goes with out saying since I mentioned the g19, that the new pistol will be in 9mm.

 

[GunNut]

Both are really nice guns.

For CCW i'd choose the Glock 19 since it is smaller and has more readily available accessories.

For range or home defense choose the one that you like best.

 

[ColdDayInHell]

G19. It one of the most popular Glocks and everyone I know that owns one, absolutely loves it. Also if you were to sell it, they really retain their value. Walther's are not the company they used to be and their guns are good for the money but do not even come close to Glock. I am not a diehard Glock fan and actually prefer Ruger but go for the G19. That mixed with a good IWB holster will carry like a dream. Check out the SR9c if you don't decide.

 

[RBid]

Walther's are not the company they used to be and their guns are good for the money but do not even come close to Glock.

Saywut?!

The PPQ is awesome, and it's not just me saying that. There are many great reasons why this pistol is generating so much overwhelmingly positive buzz. Among those are a trigger considered by many to be the (or at the very least, one of the-) best out of the box on a poly pistol, rock solid reliability and durability, and ergonomics that are also considered by many to be among the best on the market. My own PPQ now has 2,800 rounds through it, with zero failures. I've put all kinds of ammo through it, from junk reloads to premium SD rounds. I've shot it dirty, and I frequently have no more lube on it than 1 drop of CLP on each side of the slide. It doesn't just shoot, it shoots great. I have heard of round counts over 40,000, with zero failures, and no parts swaps to speak of (even springs).

Walther P99? Walther PPS? Walther PPK/S?

Walther keeps cranking out great weapons, and adds a phenomenal pistol in 2011, and they're 'not the same company they used to be'? That only makes sense, if you're saying they're better than ever.

 

[Jed Carter]

I just made a choice, a G19 has been added to my collection, never considered the PPQ, no regrets. What does a magazine for the PPQ cost? Can you find them everywhere? Does it take more than 5 minutes to change out the sights on a PPQ? Does it do anything better than the G19?

 

[777TRUTH]

LOL @ Glock guys bashing Walther.

Get the PPQ, you won't be disappointed.

 

[Fishbed77]

Walther's are not the company they used to be and their guns are good for the money but do not even come close to Glock.

Total BS. Ignore this comment and continue.

The Walthers produced at the Walther factory in Ulm, Germany (P99, P99c, PPQ, PPS, and GSP target pistol) are among the finest pistols money can buy, period. The facility where these pistols are manufactured is one of the most advanced in the world (looks more like a Silicon Valley electronics lab than a traditional gun factory).

Umarex pistols don't count (P22, PK380), because they are not made by Walther, only marketed as much. Nor do the previously problematic S&W-manufactured PPKs (whose problems seem to have been resolved as of late).

That said, both the Walther PPQ and Glock 19 are excellent choices, with the nod going to the PPQ for me.

PPQ Pros:

-Better trigger feel
-Better ergonomics
-Better fit & finish
-Proven reliability (P99 has been around over 15 years and PPQ is just a P99 with a different trigger group)

Glock 19 Pros:

-Cheaper accessories
-Ever-so-slightly smaller if used as a CCW (really size is almost identical to PPQ)
-Proven reliability (for Pre-Gen 4 pistols)
-You won't have to roll your eyes as much when you hear Glock fanboys because you can be one too!

 

[balance 740]

LOL @ Glock guys bashing Walther.

Seriously.

Walther's are not the company they used to be and their guns are good for the money but do not even come close to Glock.

This should be entertaining, but how?

What does a magazine for the PPQ cost?

From the factory, between $50-$60. From other places on the internet, around $45. Magnum Research mags cost around $30, and will function in the PPQ just fine.

Can you find them everywhere?

I can find them whenever I need to find them. I don't need to find mags for my pistols everywhere after I already have them.

Does it take more than 5 minutes to change out the sights on a PPQ?

I can change out both the front and rear sights of a 99-series pistol in less than 30 seconds. That's taking the old ones out, and putting the new ones in.

Does it do anything better than the G19?

It seems like it does for lots and lots of people, myself included. I shoot the PPQ better than a Glock 19. I don't need aftermarket trigger modifications for my PPQ. I don't need aftermarket extended slide releases for my PPQ. I don't need aftermarket extended mag releases for my PPQ.

Also if this is a brand new Glock, you may want to check out the threads on Glocktalk about how the late Gen3 and Gen4 pistols are having issues with extractors, ejectors, and recoil springs. So to add to my last paragraph, I don't need to replace my brand new extractor on my PPQ. I don't need to replace my brand new ejector on my PPQ. I don't need to replace my brand new recoil spring on my PPQ.

At least point out how the Glock 19 is better if you are going to put the PPQ down.

And to think I was about to post something along the lines of this before I read the rest of the comments:

That said, both the Walther PPQ and Glock 19 are excellent choices, with the nod going to the PPQ for me.

PPQ Pros:

-Better trigger feel
-Better ergonomics
-Better fit & finish
-Proven reliability (P99 has been around over 15 years and PPQ is just a P99 with a different trigger group)

Glock 19 Pros:

-Cheaper accessories
-Ever-so-slightly smaller if used as a CCW (really size is almost identical to PPQ)
-Proven reliability (for Pre-Gen 4 pistols)
-You won't have to roll your eyes as much when you hear Glock fanboys because you can be one too!

I agree. "Pick the one you shoot the best with" is my usual response to a vs thread.

 

[Fishbed77]

Magnum Research mags cost around $30, and will function in the PPQ just fine.

They will function just fine because they are identical to the Walther mags (aside from a different name on the plastic baseplate). Both the Magnum Research and OEM Walther mags are made by Mec-Gar on the same assembly line.

 

[RetiredUSNChief]

I don't like Glock at all. But I freely admit that this is a superficial dislike based entirely on the weapon's appearance. I simply hate their blocky appearances.

However, Glock didn't get their reputation and huge following by their appearances. They got them by being darned good pistols...they're reliable and accurate, with added characteristics that make them good concealed choices...like being hammerless, for one.


On the flip side, I like Walther superficially because they've made some really beautiful (in my opinion) weapons.

And Walther hasn't been around for as long as they have by producing cr*ppy weapons, either. They're one of the finest manufacturers of pistols in the world.


Just from a quality and reliability perspective, you're not going to find any practical difference between the two.

My advice is you go out to a gun range, or get together with some people you know, which have both these pistols available to shoot. Handle them. Shoot them. Look into the avaiilability accessories you think you'd like to buy (added magazines, grips, etc.).

Remember: a gun which isn't comfortable in your hands is a gun you'll never really be happy with, regardless of how it shoots or what you paid for it. Find the one that best fits YOU that YOU are happy with.

And everybody else who doesn't like your decision can bugger off, in my opinion...they're not the ones who will be carrying and shooting your gun.


Best of luck! And drop us a line to let us know what you got and what you think of it.

 

[Sapper771]

I am a Glock guy. I recommend Glock to those I feel that they fit. They arent perfect and they are ugly as sin, but IMO one would be hard pressed to find a pistol that can out perform them in the extremes. This is just my opinion though. I have put my G17 and a G21 through the wringer enough to feel confident in my opinion........

But that PPQ is a super sweet pistol. I have put off buying one because I know I will have to buy holsters and mags for it. I am even concerned that it would become my new carry pistol......replacing my G19. I already have a stockpile of parts and mags for my Glocks.

The PPQ has the best striker fired trigger that I have tried so far. Awesome reset as well. I have yet to find someone who talks negative about them. The only issue I see on it is adapting to the different mag release.

Either way you go, Both are good pistols.

 

[RBid]

Taking a sec to say that CDH is a great guy, and probably just unfamiliar with the PPQ.

 

[a-sheepdog]

I am extremely familiar and well versed in "Glock" so my vote goes to the Glock 19. I am biased and have never handled the Walther. Just my opionion, I trust my life to a Glock.

 

[briang2ad]

Very different guns.

PPQ feels great. But shoot both and see what works well. Glocks MAKE you hold on target for fast repeats.

PPQ is completely ambidextrous. Glock is NOT. But the only area this counts in is the mag release. I don't use a slide release.

With night sights, Glock is a bit cheaper.

G19 packs 15 rounds into a smaller and lighter package.

G19 has every accessory known to man available everywhere. Factory mags are cheap and everywhere.

Two things bugged me just a tad about the PPQ (I went through this calculus recently): Is the trigger too light for a weapon I carry with NO manual safety? Remember, shooting with high adrenaline is different.

Will I accidentally hit the big mag release lever at the wrong time in a bad situation?

As much as people slam the Glock trigger, it is trainable, and is safe for what it is on a weapon with no manual safety.

 

[Upstater]

I have never had a Walter but I do have a g19, that being said even though it wasn't a stated option I would also entertain the thought of a s&w m&p 9mm if that is what you want ( caliber that is). I have one in .40 , it handles nicer for me than the glock in the fact that there is very little muzzle flip with the smith. Just food for thought. That is not to say that I don't like the Glock it is very dependable just a little harder to handle than the smith.

 

[wacki]

I own both a Glock G19 and a Walther P99 AS. I like them both. I've shot them both a lot.

I seemed to shoot better with the Walther when I first picked it up, it feels better in my hand and that's what I spend most of my time with at the range. If I had to give one up it would be hard to do but I'd definitely would keep the Walther. I like the Walther so much I'm probably going to get a P99QA to go with my P99AS. I don't know if I will get another Glock.


What I like about the Walther:
1) ergonomics... way better
2) second strike capability
3) DA/SA capability
4) The mag release is very nice
5) It's a very nice looking pistol
6) slightly longer sight plane

What I like about the Glock
1) Barrel is lower and closer to the hand (not sure how much this matters in the real world). Theory says it reduces recoil but I don't notice a difference.
2) The mechanisms in the receiver is a little bit simpler than the P99 AS. Fewer parts makes me think it MIGHT be more reliable. However, I have no data supporting that. My Walther has actually been more reliable than my Glock (I got a lot of failure to feeds w/ my Glock because I limp wristed it). Once I firmed up my grip both pistols were great.
3) It's slightly shorter from top of the slide to bottom of the mag-well.


The magazine argument is irrelevant to me. Mec-Gar is who makes walther mags (if your are the frugal type and want to buy inexpensive magazines) and the cost differential of magazines between the two pistols will be insignificant compared to what it costs to feed the pistol.

The only accessory I've bought for either pistol is Hogue grips for the Glock. It makes the Glock grip tolerable to me but makes the handle fatter (bad for concealed carry). People go on and on about vague "accessories" but other than threaded barrels and tritium sights what else do you really need? Both are readily available for pretty much any gun. So I really don't see that as much of a factor either.

 

[HKGuns]

Walther's are not the company they used to be and their guns are good for the money but do not even come close to Glock.

Someone just lost all credibility. If anything gLoCk is not the company they never really were, but everyone seems to think they are. Do a search on gen 4 gLoCk problems.

I am not a diehard Glock fan

Yeah right.

OP, the Walther is the better choice.

 

[Girodin]

for the money but do not even come close to Glock.

I have a number of glocks. I carry a glock. I like glocks. I think the above statement is silly at best. I wouldn't say the Walther is per se particularly better either. To act like the glock is per se significantly a better gun is not reality. Price wise they are very close. About a $50 difference at Bud's Guns for example.

I have a number of guns in 9x19 from a number of makers: S&W, Steyr, Glock, Kahr, Sig etc, etc. When people start acting like one is sooo much better than the others I cannot help but laugh. One might have their own personal preferences but I really don't believe most of them are per se better than the others.

 

[MoreIsLess]

I have a PPQ and I have shot a G19. Although I liked the G19, I wouldn't trade my PPQ for it. It has actually surpassed my Sig 226 as my favorite pistol

 

[PabloJ]

I'm fixing to buy a new pistol in either one of these platforms. I have owned both in 40 and loved them both almost equally. I was just curious to hear some input from different perspectives. Thanks again for the help.

I had S&W 990 sub-compact .40S&W on hold at LGS. When like new second-hand Glock 29SF showed up I dropped Walther design like expired carton of milk. To be fair the 99 is first successful Walther handgun design since the P-38. The insanely expensive P-88 was dismal failure if I recall correctly. Few were naive enough to spend $1200 when they were available new. Glock is better choice then P99 variants just look at used gun prices.

 

[balance 740]

To be fair the 99 is first successful Walther handgun design since the P-38. The insanely expensive P-88 was dismal failure if I recall correctly. Few were naive enough to spend $1200 when they were available new.

The P88 was a failure.

It was an unfinished design that was released too early to get it in the M9 trials. There were issues with frames cracking around the mag release area, and the pistols were expensive. They were also some of the most accurate combat pistols ever made, with reports of examples getting sub 1" groups at 25 yards.

How many defensive pistol designs has Walther come out with since the introduction of the P38?

You would call the P5 a failure? The P5 was the last update Walther made to the P38 pistol. The P5 has been in use in European police agencies for over 30 years, along with the Sig P6 and H&K P7.

How does the P88 design relate to the P99 or PPQ?

Glock is better choice then P99 variants just look at used gun prices.

And in my experience/opinion, they are not.

How are they better?

People are currently having issues with brand new Glock pistols coming off the assembly line. Glock has since made improved recoil springs and ejectors to fix these issues. Aftermarket companies have since made improved extractors to fix these issues. Glock doesn't seem to have found the issues, or managed to fix the issues yet.

The PPQ is an update of the P99, a 15 year old design. The frame of the PPQ has been in use since 2008 on the P99Q. The internals of the PPQ were pretty much lifted off the P99 and dropped in the PPQ. There are reports of people going through tens of thousands of rounds through PPQ pistols without issue. There are reports of PPQ pistols getting 1.5" groups at 25 yards. The PPQ currently has a reputation for being a reliable and accurate pistol. I'd argue that compared to the current Glock 19, the PPQ is a more reliable, and a more accurate design.

Personally, I'd argue that the PPQ is "better".

 

[dondulah]

I would not say one is more reliable than the other. I have a few thousand funds through both. Bottom line, the ergos are better on the ppq. Accuracy is the same. G19 has less muzzle lift. Yes I can tell the difference. Ppq is better in hand but can unload the mag rapid fire more accurately in the g19 over the ppq due to less rise in the g19. You can find them online for the same price about.

 

[222327]

G19

 

[CarlJ]

PPQ, ergonomics rule.