Glock 21 vs. Springfield XD45

[Euclidean]

I am sorry my friend but i have to totally disagree with most of the things the xd ban wagon is saying.The xd is not even comparable to the g21.

Thank you for saying that: they are indeed different.

And what does lapd know about guns they use to use the stuff they confiscated off the criminals until they found the kimbers.

I doubt the veracity of that statement.

They are the most gun hating crew out there.

According to? Or do you have proof?

First the magazines on a glock are steal lined and platic covered it is like your house with extra insulation and protection.Try dropping the xd mags fully loaded on the concrete it aint going to happen.

Done it. More than once. And not on purpose. They recover just fine. Might scuff the baseplate a little bit, but them's the brakes.

The plastic also covers those sharp edges the xd has on the bottom of their mags.So if you need to grab quick you will not cut yourself.The glock is the only mag i know you can leave fully loaded and not worry about the spring wearing out.Unlike springfeild who is known for there weak springs thats why anyone who buys a springfeild 1911 they buy wilson mags.

This is an ignorant statement. I have personally dissassembled the XD magazine and it does not have sharp edges.

The Glock is not the only magazine you can leave fully loaded and not have to worry about. Smith and Wesson, VZ, Sig, HK and yes even the XD magazines can be left this way for years on end.

And finally... have you ever loaded any of the XD mags especially the early ones? Those things will make a believer of anybody. When I get new XD mags in any caliber besides .45 (which has an improved design it seems) I leave it loaded for a few months to smooth out some of the tension, and even then it's still tight as Fort Knox. As a matter of fact, many quality pistol magazines are like this.

The price=I have been researching this for awhile and the cheapest xd i found was 560.The cheapest glock i found was around 450.So glock won those two rounds.

Okay let's compare. XD45ACP vs. G21

$530
http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=49812083

$520
http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=49842357

The only reason the XD is $10 more right now is because it is new and they can get away with selling it for that much.

Look into the other chamberings, and you'll find that XDs are on average cheaper than Glocks. For the .45s, time will tell.

Now ergonomics=The glock is known for the simplisity and feild stripping.Saying the xd is easier to take down is like saying we are getting our butts kicked by iraq.It is just not true.

Let's see, drop magazine, open/clear chamber, slide up lever, pull trigger, done. Granted the Glock isn't exactly complicated either, I call it a tie here so I agree with you.

all in all the glock does have the thicker grip but the xd ban wagon saying glock misses the paper is just wrong.Maybe who ever is shooting the glock should try aiming.I have yet to not score a hundred with my glock duty pistol and i dont think i ever will not.That is why 80% of leos out there are either issued glock or buy there own.

So you're saying I should use an akward tool and learn to compensate for it rather than use a tool that's better for me personally and actually learn to improve my marksmanship?

Also, the reason LEOs have Glocks is the price. Have you seen what agencies pay for Glocks? If I could get new Glocks for less than 3 bills I'd have Glocks too!

And all that rubish about the discharge are 100% human error.And you shouldnt need a little bead in the back of the slide to tell you one is chambered.

We agree again, I never use the loaded chamber indicator; I trust my eyes and fingers only. It does serve as a substitute for a press check FWIW, but the presence of it is not why I like the gun.

Sorry glock wins by first round knock out and there will be no rematch.So get rid of all those sissy guns and get yourself a glock.When your life depends on it i wouldnt use nothing but the best.

Wow. Just wow. I have no rebuttal for that kind of eloquence.

 

[GunNut]

Why do we always end up arguing 9mm vs 45ACP, Glock vs XD, this vs that???

Just because someone buys a Glock, does not make it the best handgun in the world. Just because someone buys an XD, does not make it the best.

I like both guns, they both have good and bad things about them. I don't like the longer grip on the XD45, so guess what?? I don't have to buy one.

Guys remember these are our opinions, none decide what everyone else buys.

If you like the XD45, congrats to you. It is a great gun, but it is also new and needs to prove itself long term.

Steve

 

[distra]

+1 GunNut. Neither one is a 1911!

 

[Surefire]

Guys remember these are our opinions, none decide what everyone else buys.

If you like the XD45, congrats to you. It is a great gun, but it is also new and needs to prove itself long term.

Ditto what GunNut said...

GunNut hits the nail on the head. This is all our personal opinions, but I see a very small percentage of folks like to state them as facts.

 

[Euclidean]

If you like the XD45, congrats to you. It is a great gun, but it is also new and needs to prove itself long term.

Prove what? It either works or it does not. It's a boolean condition you could say.

By that logic, we should all gravitate to the Colt SAA. It's proven!

I'm not saying that one is just worlds better than the other, matter of fact if you have a Glock 21 and are happy with it don't give the XD a second thought, but when people post baseless things that I personally know for a fact are wrong, like the above, that's just silly.

 

[KINGMAX]

GLOCK 21 vs XD-45 ?????

I own and carry a GLOCK 21. I have shot the XD-45, and have only great things to say about it. In there own way they both feel good in the hand. The XD-45 has great position on the slide release, so + 1 for the XD-45. The GLOCK 21 breaks down so quick and ez, + 1 for the GLOCK 21. You could go back and forth all week long. I do know one thing - I will own a XD-45 soon. Good luck trying to sort this one out. I am not the one to call this one. I like them both equally. This will be an opinion battle that will go on forever.

I am willing to say that a poll would be divided 50/50, or very close to that. :banghead:

Historicaly, down the road, will the XD-45 still be in the race 20 years from today ?? That will be the true acid test.

Good shooting to all, take a girl to the range, she will love you for it.

 

[Surefire]

^A poll would be interesting.

I'm more inclined to think that Glock would have an edge in a poll, because it is a more established design.

 

[GunNut]

Prove what? It either works or it does not. It's a boolean condition you could say.

The XD45 has been on the market for what six months? Let's wait and see what these guns are doing when they have 10K, 20K or 100K rounds through them.

Hell, a Jennings or Lorcin will go bang a few times. It's longevity and durability that count.

Previous XD's would rust from being carried, but I guess that is not a problem. They say that issue is taken care of, but who knows?

I've owned XD9's and XD40's, but got rid of them. They were extremely accurate, just not my thing at the time.

I don't even own a G21, but will soon.

Why are we in such a hurry to crown a new king in the gunworld? Yes, the XD45 is the HOT gun right now. I'm glad everyone that has one loves it.

But it is no better than a Glock, Sig or HK; it's just the gun of now.

Steve

 

[Euclidean]

The XD45 has been on the market for what six months? Let's wait and see what these guns are doing when they have 10K, 20K or 100K rounds through them.

One gun rag already put it through a 20k round torture test.

My first XD ever, I lost count of all the rounds through it, never a problem. It was a .40 S&W. Had one FTF in all that, the first FTF I've had in years, and that was the ammo's fault not the gun's. Tap rack bang took less than a second and it was firing again.

My first XD45ACP I've had for 6 months now and it's been through probably 3,000 rounds of dirt cheap ammo. The dirt cheapest stuff I could find. Not a problem to be found.

I've had several others whose ammo counts aren't as impressive, still have a 9mm I need to continue through its paces, never a problem.

And ultimately all that proves what exactly? Beats me. But there you go.

The platform has been around for years, it's just becoming popular now. Its track record starts in 1999.

If nothing else I'll kindly submit myself as a beta tester of sorts then, because as far as I'm concerned it works.

Hell, a Jennings or Lorcin will go bang a few times. It's longevity and durability that count.

Previous XD's would rust from being carried, but I guess that is not a problem. They say that issue is taken care of, but who knows?

I've had six of them, five blued, 3 of the blued not the .45 ACP. Never so much as a speck of rust. My experiences reflect the majority of owners, it's just that people who aren't having problems don't make themselves heard generally speaking.

I've owned XD9's and XD40's, but got rid of them. They were extremely accurate, just not my thing at the time.

I don't even own a G21, but will soon.

Well there you go. There's other choices that are just as good. If there wasn't an XD, like if they all dissappeared tomorrow, I'd go to Sigs or CZs and deal with it just fine.

Why are we in such a hurry to crown a new king in the gunworld? Yes, the XD45 is the HOT gun right now. I'm glad everyone that has one loves it.

But it is no better than a Glock, Sig or HK; it's just the gun of now.

Better no, different yes. And different is why I like it: Take my favorite parts of the 1911, Sig Sauer, and Glock pistols and make a mutt out of them that's a whole new animal, and you have something with a strong appeal to many.

It's not about what's new or what's "better", it's about what suits an individual best. And I hardly believe I am unique in my needs and desires.

But what I don't understand are the criticisms of the gun that are ultimately baseless, like saying it's "not proven", especially when it comes from someone who doesn't even have one. That phrase means nothing, especially to someone who has had a completely different experience.

 

[GunNut]

I've probably gotten away from what I was trying to point out.

I loved the XD's when I had them, they just weren't special enough for me to keep them.

My whole point is that the XD45 is not better than the Glock G21, nor is the G21 better than the XD45, in what they are intended to do; go bang.

What fits and works for you, may not fit and work for me.

Who knows I may eventually buy an XD45 Tactical.

Steve

 

[Euclidean]

I loved the XD's when I had them, they just weren't special enough for me to keep them.

My whole point is that the XD45 is not better than the Glock G21, nor is the G21 better than the XD45, in what they are intended to do; go bang.

What fits and works for you, may not fit and work for me.

There you go, that makes perfect sense. I can agree with that because it's a reasoned opinion.

However some of the points made in the thread are unsupported banter.

 

[GunNut]

However some of the points made in the thread are unsupported banter.

Now, couldn't we say that about 99% of all of the threads?

 

[pablo45]

Forgive me for being a glock cheerleader as frenchy so well put it.But this is just my opinion and my love for sarcacim and glock.In no way did i mean to offend anyone.I think sure give the xd time it might be ok it might even flood the market like glock has.But for the time being i will go with the proven.That is just me.Thanks for all the feed back.

 

[Euclidean]

No offense was taken, but earlier today I saw a G21 for sale and I thought of this thread and I can argue a very strong point in the Glock's favor: ultimately the market support for the Glock is better because there are so much more of them. XD's have pretty decent market support, better than many, but nothing like the Glock.

Plus, Glock mags are cheap. Oh they're so cheap.

It is being corrected, but at present (June 2006) XD45ACP magazines are not fun to try to get a hold of. I had to wait 4 months to get any extras at all. I called Springfield Armory and their statement to me was they had not anticipated the gun being so popular and that all of the magazines they had were going out with the guns as they were being made. Of course now they're starting to get the magazines out there a little more and it should eventually calm down, but it's a bit annoying still.

 

[nitesite]

Alright, I know that we are to take the High Road and all...

But statements such as this:

all in all the glock does have the thicker grip but the xd ban wagon saying glock misses the paper is just wrong.Maybe who ever is shooting the glock should try aiming.I have yet to not score a hundred with my glock duty pistol and i dont think i ever will not.That is why 80% of leos out there are either issued glock or buy there own.And all that rubish about the discharge are 100% human error.And you shouldnt need a little bead in the back of the slide to tell you one is chambered.

cause me to say *** on so many levels.

And Pablo45, the little gizmo in the back doesn't tell you when one is chambered; it indicates that the weapon is cocked. Maybe your friend who actually owns the one you examined should have instructed you better in the XD-45 manual of arms.

Buy one, and get back to me.

 

[iShootStraight]

I have shot an XD 9mm and was not impressed at all. I know it isn't the 45, but the trigger was one of the worst I have shot! Different strokes for different folks, but man I hated the gun when I shot it...I much prefer the 21, but I still hold the USP as the most superior polymer 45.
-Mike

"but the trigger was one of the worst I have shot!"

The above statement is a perfect example of misinformation.
Why people (usually Glock fans) smear the XD is beyond me. The Glock is a proven design, and a great gun, however the XD is an improvent upon that design! That is not to say the XD is more reliable, but I do think it is EXTREMELY RELIABLE, on par with the Glock. The XD has undergone more stringent tests than the standard Glock test without a failure of any kind. Most peoples pistols are kept somewhat clean, and won't be packed with a pound of dirt when fired. It is safe to say you will likely never have a failure of any kind with either an XD or a Glock.

Anyone who handles an XD will immediately notice the more comfortable grip, the excellent trigger, and the well designed features such as the grip safety and the cocked indicator at the back of the slide. The grip on the .45 is larger, I find the best fitting XD is the XD 9mm.

We all have our opinions, and they are just that, however to say the trigger on the XD is "one of the worst" you have shot is a clear slam. An opinion is one thing, but lying about a gun because it's not your cup of tea is grossly misleading. However most times these types of comments are made by Glock fans in DENIAL. Again, compare a glock 9 and an xd 9 trigger and the XD's trigger is much much nicer. There is no doubt about it, and it's not so much personal preference as it is FACT.

 

[doofus]

however the XD is an improvent upon that design!

The basic functioning is roughly the same. Safety? That's a matter of preference...I prefer the more simplistic Glock/Sig designs...other people prefer having a grip safety and a loaded-chamber indicator. Ergonomics? Again, a matter of preference. Trigger? Eh...that can fluctuate so wildly from gun to gun (and over the life of a particular gun) that I don't even pay any attention to trigger complaints.

That is not to say the XD is more reliable, but I do think it is EXTREMELY RELIABLE, on par with the Glock.

All else being equal, I'd have to agree. Buy from a reputable manufacturer and the individual pistol matters more. You can get lemons in both flavors.

The XD has undergone more stringent tests than the standard Glock test without a failure of any kind.

Eh...I'd like to see documentation on this. I think just about every pistol out there has undergone "stringent" tests of one form or another.

Again, compare a glock 9 and an xd 9 trigger and the XD's trigger is much much nicer. There is no doubt about it, and it's not so much personal preference as it is FACT.

No offense intended, but your argument would be much more compelling if you wouldn't state opinion in one breath, and call it fact in the next.

 

[duncan]

It's all about preference - I prefer redheads.

Most LEAs prefer the Glocks.

Like others said, guns run hot and cold - remember all of the talk of the Rohrbaugh 9mms - DONE.

Shoot what you like. I'll stick with my Glocks but highly covet SA 1911s for quality mid-range 1911s.

TEHO!

 

[Frenchy]

Most LEAs prefer the Glocks.

A lot of LEO's are stuck with the weapon their department issues, but your correct for the most part...Most LEO's I know like them.

 

[duncan]

All I know is that it only has about 37 parts, many made out of plastic.

Many of those parts can be replaced for less than $15.

Most gun enthusiasts with a manual and a breakdown chart can fix a Glock by themselves.

And the guns last and last and last.

Many of the first generation smooth gripped Glocks are still in service - I had one 10 years ago. After 100K rounds, you do shoot out the barrels though.

Few if any other guns have survived to function after severe torture tests:









Even dropped from an airplane and it kept on working.

http://glocktalk.com/sitemap/topic/462537-1.html

That's why it's the preferred handgun in whether you are in Iraq or on the street.

The SA XDs are nice but I like the pricing on the old Croatian-made HS2000s.

Nuff said.

 

[iShootStraight]

http://springfield-armory.primediaoutdoors.com/SPstory11.html

Just one of the test articles on the XD, done with a randomly selected XD from a randomly selected gunshop.
The next time each of you guys reading this are at your favorite gun shop, ask to see a glock 9 and an XD 9 at the same time. Test the trigger on the glock for half a minute, then pick up the XD. Triggers do-not vary much from gun to gun, so I do-not buy that argument. The XD trigger is superior, anyone who is unbiased would absolutely agree with that.

Duncan, the new XD's are an improvement on the older HS2000 model.

 

[iShootStraight]

Even dropped from an airplane and it kept on working.

http://glocktalk.com/sitemap/topic/462537-1.html

Quite a few failures to fire, failures to eject. It still functioned, but not 100%.
It did not do as well as many people would have you believe.

Example video:
http://members.buckeye-express.com/bthompson/g21/paste.mpg
The gun was placed in a bucket of flour and water. The slide was not open during this test!
8 shots, then 1 failure to fire, 1 shot, then another failure to fire.

http://members.buckeye-express.com/bthompson/g21/all.mpg
Bucket full of potting soil, flour, and baby powder.
The gun fails to fire on the first shot. He fires 3 shots and jams, he then racks it twice, it fires once more and jams again. He racks it, fires once more, then a failure to fire.

The glock is a damn fine gun, and 99.99% of us will not put our guns through that kind of crap, but lets not carried away with the hype. It is no longer a reliable gun when subjected to harsh conditions as seen in the videos. Dropping the gun in clay could very well cause a malfunction (sticky like flour and water)

http://springfield-armory.primediaoutdoors.com/SPstory11.html
Ice, dirt, mud, water, chemical degreaser tests. While there is no video evidence, I don't believe the author would lie.

I would be willing to conduct a series of torture tests with an XD and record everything on camera if people supplied the ammo.
Personally, I am VERY interested to see how well it would do. But it would not be cheap to do.

Are there any XD fans here who would honestly like to see a good torture test?

I want to know how much an XD can take before it fails.

 

[kansas45]

I won't put my XDACP45 Tactical through any torture test. Or any other gun I own, for that matter. I cant remember wich magazine it was that did all that stuff to a XD but it was very interesting. I think that in our everyday life, no mater what we carry as long as it built by a reliable company will do just fine. For the most part we will probably not have a chance to use our wepon's in a life or death situation(thank GOD) & we are not Wayett Earp or Rambo or anyone like that. Get yourself a reliable piece that you are comfortable with & believe in & you will be in good shape.