Glock 27 rumor true?

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Don't let rumors become a reality. I shoot with plenty of people who use reloads in factory stock Glocks, and have never heard of such issues (until I read threads like these of course)

There may be issues with relatively soft cast lead bullets that can foul a factory Glock barrel's polygonal rifling faster than they would the barrels of most other handguns, causing a sharp increase in pressure after a certain point (and quicker than most would expect). There are people who shoot unjacketed cast lead bullets in Glocks with their stock barrels, but either the lead is hard enough to keep things safe or they thoroughly scrub their barrels after every session. The notion that one cannot shoot cast lead bullets in Glocks at all is a myth, but at the same time there are real reasons to be cautious and know what you're doing (or just have good luck ;)).

I thought the modern Glocks got a fully supported chamber about 2 years ago?

Yes, apparently Glock reconsidered and now their .40 S&W barrels have fully supported chambers. This doesn't seem to have impacted reliability noticeably, and it doesn't for other guns that have fully supported chambers.

I have seen pics of a S&W M&P .40 that was blown up reportedly firing reloads.

Make no mistake about it--ANY gun can blow up as a result of poor reloads, or even with a perfectly loaded factory cartridge that suffers from bullet setback from repeated chambering, for example.

What's different about Glocks is that originally their stock .40 S&W barrels had chambers that left quite a bit (in the view of many) of the case unsupported, and this apparently lead to a slightly increased risk of case failure, one specific manner in which pistols can explode in one's hand. The bulges visible in the cases of cartridges fired in .40 S&W Glocks indicate additional stress, and there is no denying this fact. But despite this fact, using new brass from factory-fresh rounds, the additional risk is practically negligible. It only became an issue of note when using reloads, even good ones, because brass can only take so much abuse before failing. The issue was still blown out of proportion, but it was an issue, and it was serious enough to cause Glock to modify the barrels, and now it's not an issue at all in new Glocks.

I own 2 glocks (a .40 and a .357 Sig) and the chambers don't seem to be any less supported than any of my other pistols, although one was purchased in 2000 and the other in late 2007, so Glock may have already corrected the problem...

It was a problem and it has been corrected. The M&P's chamber, by the way, has always fully supported the cartridge case, although I'm sure that a few have blown up for various reasons, and it still happens to Glocks, too, but at least it's not because of a lack of case support for either of these guns now.

I'm not worried about my Glocks blowing up and I wouldn't worry about a Smith/Sig/XD/HK or any of the other polymer guns from reputable manufacturers.

Well, I still take steps to avoid bullet setback, especially since I use 180 grain .40 S&W rounds. My rather conservative rule (I think) is that no defensive round is chambered more than once before it is set aside for range practice, and that no FMJ training round is chambered more than once, period. I'm probably going overboard here, but it doesn't hurt much while an exploding pistol does.
 
I bought one in 2006 on an impulse largely because it was on sale (pre-owned) for $299. I disliked its bark and bite and sold it, but I was never worried about it blowing up. ;)
 
Wow, how "rumors" affect people's perception. I have been match shooting two G22 since mid 90s and have owned 9+ models. I have reloaded and shot over 200K+ rounds of jacketed/plated/lead/moly coated lead/frangible bullets in these Glocks.

I have seen several KaBooms in person (1911s, Berettas, CZs, AND Glocks, etc.) and all of these cases were due to double charges of reloads - not new ammunition.

the designs of the chambers and feed ramps in Glocks chambered in this caliber have been modified to give virtually full case support (somebody check me on this)
Gen1/Gen2 barrels have very loose chamber and least amount of case bottom support where the ramp cuts into the chamber. Gen3 barrels have better ramp area case bottom support, but I would not call Gen3 barrels "fully supported" barrel. The tightness of the chamber has improved, but even a Gen3 40S&W barrel will bulge the case 2/3 way down from the case neck.


TheProf
Ok...just got done doing more research on this...this is what I was thinking...

1. Purchase the G27.

2. Get a fully supported aftermarket barrel. (I'm thinking that this would reduce chances of a KB......albeit a rare thing. By the way, can I purchase this at most local gun smiths...or would I have to special order this? Would this make my Glock safer..but less reliable?)

3. Never use reloads of any kind. Only fresh factory loaded ammo.

Guys...comments????

1. I love my G22/G27 setup (same shooting mechanisms and G27 will accept G22/G23 mags). The G27 is as accurate as the G22 and I am currently practicing to use it for matches along with G22. It has more snappier recoil than G22 since it has stiffer dual-spring captured recoil spring and more prone to "limp wristing" by the shooter (stove pipe of case by slide) - Provide more firmer grip and slide will fully extract the spent case and eliminate the stove piping issue.

2. I use Lone Wolf Distribution (LWD) drop-in replacement and 9mm conversion barrels in my G22/G27. The ramp area for case bottom support is comparable to Gen3 Glock barrels, but has the tightest chamber I know of so they do not bulge the case (factory or hot reload). The chamber and case bottom support is tight enough that my spent cases hardly need resizing and takes very little effort. The LWD barrels are match grade stainless steel barrels and true drop-in. Unlike other aftermarket barrels, they do not require any gunsmith fitting. Not sure if they will prevent a KB from a double charge, but I feel MUCH more confident shooting the LWD barrels. They are $100 from Cheaper Than Dirt and $110-$115 from LWD.

Instead of Glock's hexagonal rifling (hills/valleys), LWD barrels have conventional rifling (lands/grooves) which allows me to shoot lead reloads in addition to jacketed/plated bullets. You can shoot lead reloads in Glock barrels, but because the rounded hills/valleys rifling provides tighter fit around the bullet, you MUST clean the barrel frequently during shooting sessions.

If you have Gen1/Gen2 Glocks, you can solve this problem by using factory new Gen3 barrels ($159) or using LWD barrels.

The 40S&W to 9mm conversion barrels do not require the extractor change since it grabs enough of 9mm case rim to extract reliably. G22/G23 will require use of G17/G19 magazines to feed/chamber reliably, but my G27 works fine with G27 magazines.

Another benefit of using LWD barrels is that when I am done with my range practice session, I drop in my clean factory Glock barrels and load up my magazines with factory JHP and I am good to go for SD/HD - I clean the LWD barrels later at my leisure.

3. I have shot 200K+ rounds of jacketed and plated reloads in my Glocks (factory barrels) without any problem (I normally load my reloads to 5% less max load data). Since I got the LWD barrels, I have shot tens of thousands of lead reloads without problems. Most of problems I have heard/read about seem to be caused by reloaders pushing their reloads too hot (often past the max load data) and using the older Gen1/Gen2 barrels with "less" case support.

Comment? In summary:
- Glocks are not the only pistol that experience KaBooms
- KaBooms are often caused by double charged reloads, especially aggrevated by "less" supported Gen1/Gen2 barrels
- Gen3 Glock barrels have better chamber/ramp area support than Gen1/Gen2 Glocks, but are not truly "Fully Supported" barrels and will still bulge the case 2/3 way down from the case neck from factory/hot reloads
- You can shoot jacketed/plated reloads
- You can shoot lead reloads but you must keep the barrel clean because the tighter hexagonal rifling (hills/valleys) are more susceptible to pressure build up if fouling builds up in the barrel
- You can significantly reduce the concern over KaBooms by using a drop-in aftermarket barrel like Lone Wolf Distribution that provides very tight chamber and much improved case bottom support
- You can even shoot lead reloads in LWD barrels because they have conventional rifling (lands/grooves)
- You can shoot both 40S&W and 9mm bullets out of G22/G23/G27 by using the LWD 40-9 conversion barrels.

Anymore questions?
 
I've seen people shoot 9mm out of a .40 Glock and it didn't Kaboom. Bulged the heck out of the case! Saw a squib that was unnoticed, and fired a second time, squib plus next round broke free and hit the target, barrel swelled up a little, no KB.

I think you have to have a combo of problems to actually blow one up. Other than doublecharge of course.

hot ammo+fouled barrel, maybe.
hot ammo+ fire out of battery, maybe.
crappy brass+too much bullet setback, maybe
etc. etc.

Still never seen a real kaboom.
 
As you may have noticed from my previous post I really like my G27. But I will say this, unless you really like the Glock (or any gun with polygonal rifling) and feel you need or want to shoot alot of lead (rather than jacketed bullets), you are probably better off buying a different gun with conventional rifling.

I can't see buying a gun that I feel I need to buy an aftermarket barrel to safely use.

Of course buying a gun with the intention of getting aftermarket barrels so that you can convert to different calibers is a whole other story and makes for a far more versatile gun.
 
I have a 2009 Glock 27 and I've shot thousands of rounds....no kaboom, no problems at all.
But I do use jacketed factory ammo, never reloads, and never bare lead.

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Did I read that right...that today's glock 27 has a more supported barrel?

How would I know that I am purchasing one of those newer models.... is there a specific serial number range?

And if I use an aftermarket barrel like Lone Wolf.....so that its more supported chamber and so that I can fire bare lead ammo (not that I would...but would like that option in a pinch)...would the tighter chamber make this Glock less reliable?
 
If it's made anything like recently, say ten years or maybe even more, then it is the newer, more supported chamber configuration.

I think it's still relatively loose, but it's been looser.
 
1. I keep hearing rumors of it exploding...

I have the 27 and never a problem (but then I have the 23 and no problem either.) Just stay away from lead bullets and reloads for all but the best reload factories (like Blackhills, they are very well known and a good company.)

2. and more problems with limp wristing...

With a .40? Oh, no you won't have that problem Prof. The 27 uses the same spring as the 26 and the slide velocity is greater (hence it kicks somewhat more.) But no, I doubt you will have any limp wristing problem, except when you fire 200 rounds one handed.. then your wrist will be limp.. and sore.

Deaf
 
i checked my relatively new G27, and it does appear that the ramp fully supports the case. seems glock did change the design without telling anyone in response to the kabooms.
 
glock 40's pop because of weak cased reloads plus the unsupported chamber.

use factory fresh ammo, and there's no worries. period.

And if the chamber was fully supported, wouldn't you then be able to use those weak cased reloads?
 
The generous chamber is the primary reason Glock's are so reliable. These are combat weapons and were never intended to fire reloads.
 
And if the chamber was fully supported, wouldn't you then be able to use those weak cased reloads?

no. glocks also have more generous chamber dimensions that most autos. that's one of the reasons they're so reliable, and also the reason they're only 100% safe with factory fresh ammo.
 
Yes, 40 cal Glocks explode ALL THE TIME. You might as well have your friends start calling you lefty right now. BUY SMITH & WESSON. (The fact I own S&W stock has nothing to do with my earlier statements in the least!)

YES THAT WAS SARCASM, DON'T GET YER UNDIES IN A BUNCH. From what I see of the pics of the barrels posted I wouldn't choose one over the other unless it fit your hand better and/or you shoot it better. They are pretty different in the ergos. I would suggest you handle and shoot both before deciding. The mag drop and slide lock issues are both well known in some earlier models of the M&Ps. A newer one shouldn't give you any troubles. I have over 5000 rounds through my early model M&P. The last 200 rounds or so the slide started started locking back with one round in the chamber. I sent it back to Smith and they sent it back with ALL new springs and a new slide release. It works 100% now. I also got it back in about a week from when I sent it. I am VERY happy with my M&P. Shoot both, then decide.
 
If you read chapter 4 of "The GLOCK in competition" he does a very thorough analysis of the whole "Kaboom" problem. It has nothing to do with unsupported chambers--while that may decrease the life of your brass, it's not the primary cause of gun failure.

I reload my .40 ammo. I reload exclusively for Gen III GLOCKs (no Gen II) and I can't tell a difference between resizing for GLOCK, HK, or Sig. This problem is much adieu about nothing as far as I can see. Don't bother with the aftermarket barrel, IMHO.

While I generally do reloadjacketed or plated ammo, I also load lead and moly coated bullets. No problems and certainly no gun failures. Clean your gun, don't double charge it, and you'll be fine.

As far as limp-wristing, GLOCKs are certainly more forgiving than a 1911 in that regard. .40 SW is a high pressure round, and that's probably more the cause than the design of the gun. In either case, it's a short lived problem. You won't need a death grip on the gun for it to work properly, but you will want a proper grip for fast shot recovery. See Matt Burkett's or brian Enos' site for some really good advice on that topic.

Hope that helped!
Dan
 
If you read chapter 4 of "The GLOCK in competition" he does a very thorough analysis of the whole "Kaboom" problem. It has nothing to do with unsupported chambers

I would say "nothing" is a pretty strong word to use in that sentence. If you mean to be factual. It is definitely a factor in the frequency and type of kabooms the Glocks experienced. How can you look at pics of a round with a case blown out at the unsupported area of the barrel and say it has nothing to do with it? Its not the CAUSE of the problem but it definitely is a factor and has something to do with it.
 
I have never had my G23 FTF/FTE one single time. It's also been shot by first time shooters and never FTF.

It's a vintage 1995 model and I never heard about the KABOOM stuff untill a few weeks ago on this forum. I only shoot new white discount ammo in it.
 
Now I am going to have to

sell my Glock 23 and and my 32. Maybe I will just give them away with my Toyota deathtrap. :neener: I don't think so. If Glocks were as bad as some of you make out they would have gone the way of Jiminez and Bryco. I have had several thousand rounds, perhaps more than 10,000 or more, through my G23, and way more than that through one I sold. I do shoot reloads through them, though never lead. I also shoot with a lot of guys who reload for them and they have never had a problem. I also know a guy who blew up a Ruger Black Hawk in 45 Colt. Maybe all Blackhaws are weak too. I am currently thinking about buying a third G23 just because I can get a real good deal on them right now.
 
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