Sergei Mosin
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Glock carbines have been rumored for years. Supposedly the reason it hasn't happened is Gaston's opposition. My theory is that he won't even be cold before Glock announces a line of carbines.
Beretta already sells this as the CX series and now Taurus has one too
If it were such a good idea for Glock, CX4 Storm carbines would be flying out the door at the gunships. Which simply isn't the case.Beretta already sells this as the CX series and now Taurus has one too.....although I agree Glock people would probably snap them up just for the magazine compatability feature with their pistols- if it could undercut the Beretta on $$ I might actually look at it seriously and I've never had the slightest interest in any of their other products.
Is that why CZ totally redesigned the Scorpion, HK developed the MP7, FN developed the P90 and SIG developed the MPX??? Seems there is a market, or a perceived one and some manufacturers are stepping up to provide a proper solution.I don't think there is enough of a market for one and the development costs would be insane as they would be making something totally different than a handgun.
It's not about ballistics. It's about having a compact carbine in an adequate cartridge with the benefits of a shoulder fired weapon. People seem to forget what those benefits are and I suggest they take their service pistols to the 100yd range to figure them out.Having a long barrel on a pistol doesn't magically transform the ballistics and make it perform like a rifle.
Who cares???The 9mm won't even make it to 400m.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/08/06/1000-yard-shot-9mm/The 9mm won't even make it to 400m.
The Scorpion EVO was developed for the European market where machine pistols have always been more popular. The MP7 and P90 were developed as PDWs with rounds that are closer to rifle rounds than pistol rounds. The SIG MPX is a 516 with a shortened receiver and a short stroke piston. What you're also ignoring is that all four of those companies already make rifles, so they already have the base R&D to start from, and the base tooling to make other rifle variants.Is that why CZ totally redesigned the Scorpion, HK developed the MP7, FN developed the P90 and SIG developed the MPX??? Seems there is a market, or a perceived one and some manufacturers are stepping up to provide a proper solution.
I think the major appeal to a Glock carbine for most people would be the ability to use their Glock mags in the rifle. Similarly, the CX4 is aimed at US consumers who want a carbine that uses their existing pistol mags. Barrels shorter than 16" would take it into NFA territory, and that's not the consumer group Beretta is after with the CX4. folding or telescopic stocks would be nice options, but the CX4 is legal almost everywhere in the US with the fixed stock. I think theoretical Glock carbine buyers would certainly demand moreProblem with the Beretta is that it's restricted to pistol mags, has an ugly fixed stock and is not very compatible with barrels much shorter than 16".
Please elaborate on why this is a problem. The SIG MPX you seem to be so fond of could easily be classified as an AR-15 derivative.Problem with AR's is that they're AR's.
Absolutely correct.It's about having a compact carbine in an adequate cartridge with the benefits of a shoulder fired weapon.
I fully agree with that sentiment. That and your comment I quoted immediately above go hand in hand.Who cares???The 9mm won't even make it to 400m.
Because it's designed for a cartridge twice as long as most pistol cartridges. The straight blowback design of the pistol cartridge version is far from ideal.Please elaborate on why this is a problem.
It is but it also has no buffer tube, is gas operated and is compatible with folding stocks.The SIG MPX you seem to be so fond of could easily be classified as an AR-15 derivative.
Yes but they are short enough to fit into the magazine of a service pistol. Big difference between the 5.7 and the 5.56.The MP7 and P90 were developed as PDWs with rounds that are closer to rifle rounds than pistol rounds.
Is that why CZ totally redesigned the Scorpion, HK developed the MP7, FN developed the P90 and SIG developed the MPX???