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.380, generally isn't reliable in anything small. You have to do your homework and figure out what works.
Thanks for all your help, guys. Lots of great discussion in here! I had already put the Glock performance trigger in my 17-5, and then the Ghost connector… there’s a minor difference, maybe a 10% improvement? Hard to say. I may try the full-on Johnny Glock package in one and a Timney in another (likely the 17-5 and the 20-5). I will leave the 21-5 stock as it’s one of my home defense pistols. What I can’t stand about the trigger for target shooting, I appreciate for defense. That’s the Glock paradox for me.
Oh, forgot about my 42! I have NO problem with that one as I don’t expect it to do anything other than go bang 7 times fast. My only complaint about that one is that it was not reliable with Magguts 7 round springs/followers.
I don’t shoot these guns as well as I’d like because of the trigger, so what can I do? Is there any way to make these triggers a joy and not a nightmare?
We are in the same Gun Boat, I swear!Ok, first, the disclaimer, then the history, then the question:
Disclaimer: I do not hate Glocks; I have three and want to understand them better and shoot them better.
The history: 25 years ago, I bought a bunch of Glocks; I owned the following: 17, 19, 22, 23, 21 and 30. I liked their utility and thought of them as appliances. I never shot them for groups and preferred “combat” shooting of 7 yards or less. I got out of shooting about 20 years ago and sold a lot of guns, including all the Glocks.
Last year, I got back into shooting as I became semi-retired and had more time for hobbies. I re-acquired three Glocks, a 17, a 20 and 21, all gen 5 MOS models and I mounted red dots to them all.
I like their businesslike nature, their reliability, and they are decently accurate. However, I have an unutterable loathing for their triggers. I don’t know how to describe it except that it’s the worst of everything. It’s not smooth, it feels like running your finger over ground clam shells. The “wall” such as it is, is mushy. The trigger feel, with the dangly safety, is deplorable. The pull is too heavy.
I want to like them and shoot them better, I just put Ghost Ultimate connectors in them and have done the $.25 trigger job as described. They’re still horrible. People say to fire them like a double action revolver. No, the trigger in no way feels anything like a double action revolver. I don’t shoot these guns as well as I’d like because of the trigger, so what can I do? Is there any way to make these triggers a joy and not a nightmare?
Thank you so much for your help!
My Glocks may not be capable of gilt-edged accuracy but I am sure they are more accurate than I can shoot due to my abject hate of the trigger. That’s what my quest is about here, to understand if there is anything that can be done (that I haven’t already done) to give my Glocks a trigger pull that I can shoot them well with.
look at this guy run a Glock! if you can run a Glock you can run anythingI like the look of that G19, Sir! I’ll look in to the Lone Wolf triggers too. Mark Mark, go for it! Range report due!
Good video. Not a Glock but I have a Dagger (gen 3 G-19 clone). Glock guys like to hate on its trigger. When I went to see my buddy I asked his ex competition shooter neighbor to shoot it & tell me what he thought of the trigger. My friend has a range in his front yard with about a dozen 6" & 8" steel targets & a spinner. His neighbor kept 3 targets ringing & the spinner moving until he had burned through the 15 round magazine. He said it just had a typical striker fired trigger.look at this guy run a Glock! if you can run a Glock you can run anything
Equipment vs Skills!
How to Shoot Insane Double Taps with Bob Vogel
Bob Vogel explains the Vogel Grip and how he controls muzzle rise during rapid fire with Taran Butler.youtu.be
I’m going to run Stock trigger till I can shoot it right. Back to the fundamentals of grip, and front sight… but mostly trigger controlGood video. Not a Glock but I have a Dagger (gen 3 G-19 clone). Glock guys like to hate on its trigger. When I went to see my buddy I asked his ex competition shooter neighbor to shoot it & tell me what he thought of the trigger. My friend has a range in his front yard with about a dozen 6" & 8" steel targets & a spinner. His neighbor kept 3 targets ringing & the spinner moving until he had burned through the 15 round magazine. He said it just had a typical striker fired trigger.
Edited to Add: I don't have personal experience with his products but I see a lot of positive posts in the Dagger group I'm in about James McBride & Tactical Pontoon triggers. I've never used an aftermarket trigger on a handgun so I'm somewhat ignorant.
Bob Vogel shoots a Glock as well as pretty much anyone. He actually has a branded trigger with Glocktriggers.comlook at this guy run a Glock! if you can run a Glock you can run anything
Equipment vs Skills!
How to Shoot Insane Double Taps with Bob Vogel
Bob Vogel explains the Vogel Grip and how he controls muzzle rise during rapid fire with Taran Butler.youtu.be
I’m not changing my FactorGlock trigger. They suck compared to a 1911 but GOLD compare to a HiPoint.Way back when it was explained to me glock triggers at the time was like pushing a barrel up a ramp. Aftermarket was like pushing a barrel up a longer ramp. Short pull but factory stiff and long pull but easier. I was better shooting factory. But I never owned a target glock. A little bit more accurate defensive hand gun. Why?
Thanks for all your help, guys. Lots of great discussion in here! I had already put the Glock performance trigger in my 17-5, and then the Ghost connector… there’s a minor difference, maybe a 10% improvement? Hard to say. I may try the full-on Johnny Glock package in one and a Timney in another (likely the 17-5 and the 20-5). I will leave the 21-5 stock as it’s one of my home defense pistols. What I can’t stand about the trigger for target shooting, I appreciate for defense. That’s the Glock paradox for me.
Oh, forgot about my 42! I have NO problem with that one as I don’t expect it to do anything other than go bang 7 times fast. My only complaint about that one is that it was not reliable with Magguts 7 round springs/followers.
That's pretty much it right there. IMO, you don't buy a Glock to have fun at the range. It's a combat gun. If you ever really need to use it for what you bought it for, the trigger pull will be the last thing on your mind.Glock trigger is what it is… its a duty pistol.
Oh, forgot about my 42! I have NO problem with that one as I don’t expect it to do anything other than go bang 7 times fast.
That's pretty much it right there. IMO, you don't buy a Glock to have fun at the range. It's a combat gun. If you ever really need to use it for what you bought it for, the trigger pull will be the last thing on your mind.
you don't buy a Glock to have fun at the range.
Let Make Glock Fun Again!That's pretty much it right there. IMO, you don't buy a Glock to have fun at the range. It's a combat gun. If you ever really need to use it for what you bought it for, the trigger pull will be the last thing on your mind.
Another thing to consider is how worn in Vogel’s trigger is. When you shoot beyond 5K rounds ( including dry fire), things just start smoothing out.look at this guy run a Glock! if you can run a Glock you can run anything
Equipment vs Skills!
How to Shoot Insane Double Taps with Bob Vogel
Bob Vogel explains the Vogel Grip and how he controls muzzle rise during rapid fire with Taran Butler.youtu.be