Glock Vs Springfield XDM

[md7]

GLOCKs don't have any style, grip angle for me is horrible, quality is not there

Not liking glock is fine, but I don't agree at all that they lack quality. There are gun designs that I do not particularly like that are quality, despite my dislike of their design/looks/feel/etc. Sig in particular, but I wouldn't say they aren't quality.

 

[JROC]

Making claims that any semi-auto pistol is just better than a Glock is a pretty bold statement as I've never seen any other pistol put threw the kinds of torcher test that Glocks have been subjected to and come out smelling like roses.
http://www.theprepared.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=90

Are there better guns than Glock? Maybe so, but until an independent study comparing them directly with their Glock counterpart is done in some extreme conditions then I feel those claims hold no water. And yes they need to compare them directly to Glocks as Glocks are the standard by which all others are judged as they've proven themselves time, and time again, and again.

My Glock with a $14 3.5lb connector, and a 25 cent trigger job has IMO a better trigger than a XDm. It also shoots very smooth with great action.

Glocks are extremely quality guns, and IDK where people are getting off acting like their quality could use improving. They don't rust unless you work to make them rust, they take plenty of abuse without looking like they've been abused, etc. Sure they're a little bit loose. If you shake them you can hear their firing pin moving around, and their slide has a little play to them once they get a few hundred rounds put threw them, but I'd be willing to bet that's intentional. Loose tends to = reliable in most things. Guns, cars, etc. Think Glock, AK47, Mossberg 500, etc.

I'm sure a XD is as reliable as a Glock when properly maintained(which you should do to your guns, and I'm not preaching against it) as most modern guns probably are, but what about when SHTF as people like to say, and Zombies attack, and we're stuck living in swamps in some 5 year war crawling in the mud ducking and dodging the Zombies and are unable to maintain our guns properly? I would choose Glock over all others in a scenario such as that.

 

[SnowBlaZeR2]

You can say what you want about the Glock, but when you state that they lack quality you lose all credibility.

Also, to suggest that the HS2000 ("XD") is better than the Glock you need to cite some references.

The Glock is in the top three most used pistols on the planet and has passed nearly all known tests by thousands of international military, police and security companies. The HS2000 has passed none, other than their home military.

Allegedly, HS Produkt and "Springfield Armory" won't even send samples to enter military and police tests anymore due to past failures.

My hands, eyes and targets are the only references I need.

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[TG13]

REAPER4206969 "Allegedly, HS Produkt and "Springfield Armory" won't even send samples to enter military and police tests anymore due to past failures."

who alleged this?? i'm not disputing you, but i'd like to read up on it and the failures the XD platform allegedly has had that would disqualify it completely..

 

[SnowBlaZeR2]

The XD series sits too high in the hand, hurting shot recovery. My own testing is showing that they are not as accurate as GLOCK, though not by a wide margin (it's close).

Hey, there is a reason that USPSA and IDPA useage stats on XDs tanked over the last 2 years. M&P and GLOCK picked the bulk of those shooters up.

I wasn't a huge GLOCK fan either (check the screen name) but after shooting one in USPSA, I'm sold. They work, they are quality guns, and they are here to stay. Easy to clean, cheap to maintain, with an initial price point that is reasonable. What's not to like?

What testing?

 

[Redneck with a 40]

For me, the XD/XDM series has superior ergonomics and until recently, a much better supported chamber in 40 S&W.

 

[postalnut25]

I have both.

G17- great all around gun. Easy to work on. Lots of spare parts and great reliability.

XDm9- Love the small backstrap. I have Vienna Sausages for fingers, so the small grip is great.

Also, I have a 5" XD9 that I got new for under $400. I like it better than the 4" size for plinking and playing. Just a personal preference, though.

 

[REAPER4206969]

who alleged this?? i'm not disputing you, but i'd like to read up on it and the failures the XD platform allegedly has had that would disqualify it completely..

I don't have any links on hand to post. These are just things I've read over the years.

A few cops on other forums have reported that their department requested XD's for T&E and SA would not send them. Military and police contracts are the holy grail for service pistol manufactures, and the fact that the XD is never submitted for testing is suspicious.

 

[basicblur]

Military and police contracts are the holy grail for service pistol manufactures, and the fact that the XD is never submitted for testing is suspicious.

Mebbe it's because there's more money in the private market? My former employer crunched the numbers and bailed on the OEM market, deciding to concentrate on public sales-more money, and don't have to jump through all the hoops demanded when suppling OEM.
Different business models for different folks?

From what I see at the local shop, they're selling 'em 'bout as fast as they can make 'em-they also tell me they now sell 'bout 3 or 4 XDs for every Glock.

I keep looking for verifiable/documentable proof of problems with XDs over the years-if there's a problem, I want to know about it so I can watch for it or correct it.

So far, I haven't really seen anything-mostly just a bunch of brand loyal folks that seem to take glee in bashing a particular brand.

 

[SmokeJensen]

I have both platforms. My first pistol was a Glock 23. I learned on it. It is very accurate and reliable. Never a malfunction with around 8000 rounds thru it. I finally got a chance to shoot a XDm and immediately forgot about the Glock. The ergonomics are perfect to me. The balance is top of the line. The trigger is light and reliable. I'm a huge grip safety fan. If it was possible I would install a grip safety on all my guns. It also feels like it manages the recoil of the .40 a bit better allowing follow up shots quicker. Just all around better gun for me.

 

[mfcmb]

I think they are roughly equivalent in all technical characteristics.

Having shot both I found the XD fit my hands better and was more comfortable to handle, so I bought an XD and have never regretted it.

Which feels better to you?

 

[Redneck with a 40]

My XD40 is north of 5000 rounds and hasn't suffered a failure yet, I'm sold on'em.

 

[CZ57]

And Glock still doesn't relieve their ejection ports. Some thing to consider if you plan on handloading. The XDm ejects brass more uniformly because the empty case doesn't strike the slide when ejecting. This is discernible from the triangular scar on the case-mouth of Glocked brass and in .40 S&W chamber support is still not not good enough to suit me. Polygonal rifling has no advantage over the match grade barrel of the XDm and all one need do is chronograph loads with both pistols to see that there is no velocity advantage with polygonal boring. Sights and triggers are better on stock XDms and you have the interchangeable back-straps to fit the pistol to your hand.

 

[REAPER4206969]

You XD guys are, different.

 

[chieftain]

XD's are a no go for serious use--the inability to retract the slide without engaging the grip safety makes one-hand injured operation very difficult with the XD--this is a deal breaker for me. In addition, in some government tests, XD's (particularly the .40's) have broken a lot of parts compared to other pistols being tested...I'll take a 9 mm Glock or M&P any day of the week over an XD.

-- Dr Gary Roberts, leading terminal ballistic researcher, LtCmdr USNR, Reserve Police officer

The last word, of course not, but an interesting observation from an exceedingly knowledgeable source. Suggest reading over at the 10-8 Forums, and for more Dr Roberts, the Terminal Ballistics section of the M4Carbine net.

I have already stated my reason for preferring the 9mm Glock over the 9mm XD/XDm family of guns.

Personally of the two, I would go with the Glock if it was the only handgun the person has. If not, get both and decide for yourself.

Good luck.

Fred

 

[Davidfl]

Cz 75 sp01 phantom is 27oz full-size

 

[basicblur]

You XD guys are, different.

You say that like it's a bad 'thang...

Well you'll probably love this!
Way back when I bought my first polymer pistol, after fondli...er, handling 'em, then doing a lot of research, I walked out with a SIGMA!

A SIGMA I tells ya...

 

[basicblur]

XD's are a no go for serious use--the inability to retract the slide without engaging the grip safety makes one-hand injured operation very difficult with the XD--this is a deal breaker for me.

Well that's one side of it (although I don't see why one would have trouble racking an XD with one hand)-now give us the positive points of having a grip safety.
There's two sides to every story...

In addition, in some government tests, XD's (particularly the .40's) have broken a lot of parts compared to other pistols being tested...I'll take a 9 mm Glock or M&P any day of the week over an XD.

Lemme see...first, XD did not submit any guns for tests, now we have 'some government tests'...anybody got a link? What parts are breaking?

Heck...I see he doesn't like anything without a manual safety!
Guess the Glock boys tend to leave that out when using his quotes to bash a particular brand!?

 

[basicblur]

Well I see the good doc doesn't care for the 357 SIG either.
Before buying a couple of 'em, agency reports that had gone to 'em seemed to be pleased with 'em-in my neck o' the woods, the VA State Police and Richmond VA PD. I believe the NC HWP has also gone to 'em, but I've seen no reports 'bout how they like 'em.

The good doc seems to not care for results from the street-I guess if that's not where your bread is buttered...?

 

[red rick]

I tried all 3. I couldn't tell that much difference, so I went with price and got a Glock.

 

[Whiskey11]

I'm with basicblur on this one. Each firearm has it's own manual of arms that are similar across the board, but not 100% identical. There is only a couple of positions I could think of racking the slide of a handgun would be difficult one handed, and it would be during a reload one handed where your hand position was already changed. That said, it isn't difficult to do the reload in your knees, then rack the slide by catching the sight on your belt, table, or any other solid object with a normal grip, at which point the grip safety is disengaged already.

I'm not sure how often such a thing is an occurrence in a self defense situation (or really anything outside of the what if's) and I would be interested to hear a case in which it happened. I'm not saying it's not going to ever happen, but it seems to be one of those super rare cases used as a "Well in the 1 in 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000 chance, I would die because I couldn't rack the slide due to the grip safety." I would venture to guess you'd have an ammo failure long before you ever needed to rack the slide one handed, but I guess that is my school of thought.

 

[Goochman270]

The S&W MP comes up alot.... hows that compare to a XD or Glock? It seems to meet all my needs from what ive seen.

 

[Apocalypse-Now]

Quote:
XD's are a no go for serious use--the inability to retract the slide without engaging the grip safety makes one-hand injured operation very difficult with the XD--this is a deal breaker for me. In addition, in some government tests, XD's (particularly the .40's) have broken a lot of parts compared to other pistols being tested...I'll take a 9 mm Glock or M&P any day of the week over an XD.

-- Dr Gary Roberts, leading terminal ballistic researcher, LtCmdr USNR, Reserve Police officer
The last word, of course not, but an interesting observation from an exceedingly knowledgeable source. Suggest reading over at the 10-8 Forums, and for more Dr Roberts, the Terminal Ballistics section of the M4Carbine net.

I have already stated my reason for preferring the 9mm Glock over the 9mm XD/XDm family of guns.

Personally of the two, I would go with the Glock if it was the only handgun the person has. If not, get both and decide for yourself.

Good luck.

Fred

good post. get a glock.

 

[basicblur]

The S&W MP comes up alot.... hows that compare to a XD or Glock? It seems to meet all my needs from what ive seen.

Biggest real difference I can see is if you want a grip safety or not. 'Course, both of them come with manual safeties on certain models only if that floats your boat.

I've got both XDs and an M&P.
Still no Glocks...

 

[Apocalypse-Now]

^^lol

i used to own an xd and two m&p's. the only polymers i still own are glocks.

the m&p's weren't bad. never jammed, but accuracy wasn't quite on par with glock, and their trigger pulls really blew. plus, they not as easy or quick to work on as glocks, and parts aren't as readily available and are more expensive.

the xd was just plain a piece of crap. jammed with any type of ammo, and horrible accuracy that got worse the hotter the barrel got.

of those two, i would definitely choose m&p if i didn't want a glock.