Glock "worse case scenario mods".

[Jim K]

And how do you know that you have covered every possible "worst case" scenario? I certainly don't claim to any special expertise in gun fighting. I served in the Army and was a deputy sheriff for years, but was lucky enough not to ever have to fire a shot on duty. But I did learn that whatever one plans for might not happen but something else will.

But I have to wonder if someone who tries to plan for every possible contingency, and cover all the details of every situation, might not find himself at a loss if something happens he has no plan for.

As to your statement that any "detracting" from your thread is "not needed", that does seem to take a rather exalted view of your ideas.

Jim

 

[ForumSurfer]

And how do you know that you have covered every possible "worst case" scenario? I certainly don't claim to any special expertise in gun fighting. I served in the Army and was a deputy sheriff for years, but was lucky enough not to ever have to fire a shot on duty. But I did learn that whatever one plans for might not happen but something else will.

Many people send more round downrange and experience more problems than I. So I appreciate it when they share information about clearing jams that I may not have experienced...especially when they share that information for free on the internet.

You have to train and practice somehow, so why not incorporate any possible scenarios within reason that you can think of? Tap-rack-bang clears most errors except for this one, so I appreciate possum sharing his experience.

 

[Sam1911]

I don't think the issue is to cover every possible worst case scenario. (Hey, what if the slide falls off, the barrel KBs, the frame cracks in half, aliens steal your firing pin, your trigger finger falls off, and the sun explodes melting the lead out of your bullets? Better have a plan!)

I think the plan here is to handle ONE particularly knotty problem which does indeed come up from time to time.

If you feel something else is a more pressing concern and you have a modification you've made to handle it -- please take some pictures and make your own thread of your particular "worst case" problem and solution.

 

[possum]

And how do you know that you have covered every possible "worst case" scenario?

I never said anything whatsoever about covering "all the possible worse case scenarios". You have been around here a while it seems, and I think you could greatly benefit from the same advise that is given to a lot of new guys. Read more than you write.

I use this model to shape all of my training: what is probable, what is plausible, and what is possible, in that order.

There is an issue and I have A WAY that I do it, and handle those particular issues. This was never supposed to be a "fix every single issue that you may encounter in your life" thread. I am sorry if I have let you down by not providing that for you, however I do not have the ability to do that.

was a deputy sheriff for years,

The fact that you at one time was a Law Enforcement Professional makes me wonder even more why you are opposing me/ this thread/ these mods and more importantly the fact that type 3's do occur. Especially considering the fact that this has happened to LEO's in a fight.

Many people send more round downrange and experience more problems than I. So I appreciate it when they share information about clearing jams that I may not have experienced...especially when they share that information for free on the internet.

You have to train and practice somehow, so why not incorporate any possible scenarios within reason that you can think of? Tap-rack-bang clears most errors except for this one, so I appreciate possum sharing his experience.

People like this is the reason I stick around, and try to share what I know. Thanks ForumSurfer, and I hope that you got some use out of this thread.

 

[Andrew Wyatt]

The only problem i see is it's easier to overinsert the magazine.

 

[possum]

The only problem i see is it's easier to overinsert the magazine.

using a g-17 mag in a g-19 would be no different. O don't think that this is going to be an issue, however I will keep my eye for this while training and during dryfire and practice sessions.

 

[ForumSurfer]

The only problem i see is it's easier to overinsert the magazine.

using a g-17 mag would pose a similar issue in the g-19. I will keep my eye for this while training and during dryfire and practice sessions.

I haven't had the issue with my g26 when digging from my pile of g19 mags. I honestly worry I'll break the ejector one day because I tend to get over aggressive with my mag changes when I push myself or I'm under stress (having someone simply yell "go" or whatever gets my heart racing for some reason). I've yet to break the ejector and I can't seem to over-insert the mag, thankfully.

 

[possum]

I haven't had the issue with my g26 when digging from my pile of g19 mags. I honestly worry I'll break the ejector one day because I tend to get over aggressive with my mag changes when I push myself or I'm under stress (having someone simply yell "go" or whatever gets my heart racing for some reason). I've yet to break the ejector and I can't seem to over-insert the mag, thankfully.

+1, thanks Forum Surfer for your post. I have been running g-17 mags in my 19 for a long while and have never had an issue of over insertion of a mag. I have seen it done on an AR in a training course, however I have never had it happen to me on a carbine or handgun either.

Yeah a good test for me personally will be the next time I go out and work with this moded g-19 I will do the 10-8 standards. You have to go hard and fast on those to get anywhere near a good score. If I am going to possibly over insert it is going to be while doing something like this or at a training course under a lot of stress. I will get plenty of chances at 2 upcoming courses. I will report back if I have any issues with over insertion.

 

[Andrew Wyatt]

I'm just pointing out that that mod leaves you open to overinsertion of the magazine, and that's both more likely and potentially permanently damaging to the gun than a type 3malf. I think a better solution is to carry a backup gun.

 

[possum]

I'm just pointing out that that mod leaves you open to overinsertion of the magazine, and that's both more likely and potentially permanently damaging to the gun than a type 3malf. I think a better solution is to carry a backup gun.

I appreciate your insights and thoughts on this potential problem. If carrying a BUG is an option that should be done in all cases possible, not just in spite of a modified primary that may be deadlines because of over insertion.

I am hitting the range hard on Monday for a practice session, I will report my findings.

 

[ForumSurfer]

I'm just pointing out that that mod leaves you open to overinsertion of the magazine, and that's both more likely and potentially permanently damaging to the gun than a type 3malf. I think a better solution is to carry a backup gun.

I've ran about 1000 rounds through my glock 26. When I go shooting, I load up the 3 mags that came with it along with 8 or 9 glock 19 mags that are about 1.5" too long. There is a whole bunch of room for over insertion. I haven't had any damages but yes, there is the potential for it...more so than with these mods. Considering the number of people using full size mags in their compacts or subcompacts, I don't think there is much of a change of damage. I'm not one to treat my mags gingerly during changes, either. When I am under pressure or stressed (timed or someone calling my movements or shots), I'm very rough on them.

 

[IlikeSA]

Im not a Glock fan, but want to commend the OP for thinking out of the box. I have only had a double feed once, but it was enough to show that it could happen. My solution is the same as another poster, get rid of the pistol and pull a backup weapon. It takes too much fiddling to get it out, even in a no stress situation, to be useful in combat.

 

[GLOOB]

I'm wondering why you'd cut away part of the magwell/grip for better purchase on the magazine. Yet block the thumb hole with an aftermarket plug.

 

[Sam1911]

...Yet block the thumb hole with an aftermarket plug.

This would be one of those "make sure you read the entire thread" moments.

I do not use a butt plug that one is on there for the duration of the time that i was doing mods so that plastic bits and pieces would not get into the cavity anymore than they needed too.

Post 31.

 

[possum]

Im not a Glock fan, but want to commend the OP for thinking out of the box

Thank you. The credit for the idea goes to Paul Gomez.

Update:
Today I hit the range for a practice session, several drills, and fired a total of 850 rounds. I also worked lots of reps of type 3's 2 handed, weapon hand only and reaction hand only. The cut out really does help out a great deal in all the above scenarios. There is no ill effect to the "standard" operation of the gun because of the mods. The stippling in the areas that it has been done, really assist in "locking" the support hand in to a good grip. The grip tap, and the stippling was a really good thing to have today as It was very hot, and humid, and my hands, and gun was very slick from the perspiration.

In short I am glad that I went to the RPM course and had my eyes open to setting up a gun for 1 handed work. I am glad that I did the mods, and yes I would do them again in an instant.