Glocks through metal detector? Um...right...

[ArfinGreebly]

Tupperware

Oh, I get it.

The TupperGun.

Yes, my wife picked up one at her last Tupperware Party.

Said something on the label about not being microwave safe, though.

 

[Deanimator]

It's just a lie by the more idiotic of anti-gunners.

But then idiotic lies are their stock in trade. One of them once told me that it would be easy to sneak a convention semiautomatic pistol onto an airplane by claiming that the barrel was a fountain pen and the slide a "padlock". Needless to say, I mocked him savagely until he went away.

 

[Cousin Mike]

As long as I live, I will never forget that line from Die Hard about the "Glock 7." Funny, the other day I saw someone here on THR refer to a Glock 7 as if it were a real gun... I forgot which thread it was - which is probably for the better - but it's funny to see that even on gunboards, people really believe what they see in the movies.

I didn't respond to that thread, FWIW. I wanna work in a gunstore now. I can't imagine getting paid to laugh all day.

 

[Eleven Mike]

Let's not blame it all on Bruce Willis or the anti-gun movement. Half of it is just ill-informed people passing on things they heard somewhere. It wouldn't take long before, "Hey, I heard they're makin' plastic guns now," turned into "How 'bout them plastic guns, you can take 'em right onto an airplane and nobody would know!"

 

[Spreadfire Arms]

I also once had a guy tell me that he was given by order of the President after serving as a special security detail to the President of the United States a GLOCK 5, which was similar to a GLOCK 7 but had select fire capabilities.

yes this is the top secret model issued only to the world's best mall ninjas.

 

[GeorgiaGlocker]

I thought it was that Glock 18 that was invisible. I thought Han (was that his name) had one in Die Hard One...........

 

[boomer1911a1]

Hans Greuber (Gruber ?),played by Alan Rickman, carried an H&K squeeze-cocker. I THINK a P-7, but it might have been the bigger one.

 

[Odd Job]

There you go.
One Vektor CP1, X-rayed with one inserted mag and one mag to the side.
If that shows up, I guarantee you a Glock will show up too.

Whether it gets recognised is another matter. That depends on a few things, which I won't go into.
The assumption must be that the gun will be detected. There are new technologies being tested that will render even an all-plastic weapon detectable in certain circumstances.

 

[Piedmont Plinker]

With the GLOCK 7 thing, the prop guy begged the movie not to do it. But they ignored it. And the fact that GLOCKs are Austrian/Georgian. And that they aren't that expensive.
Course, he also blows up a plane with a cigarette lighter...
Oh yeah, Hans Gruber uses a nickle or stainless P7.

 

[Caimlas]

The gun in question that sparked this whole thing, as far as popular perception is concerned, is the "Glock 7", and was fictionalized for Die Hard 2, as already stated.

Though, I've heard a couple rumours that polymer researchers are figuring out how to make "ceramic polymers" - plastics which have the tensile and bearing strength of steel. Or something like that. I wouldn't be surprised if we saw lightweight carry guns made of the stuff within a couple years - at least the slides.

 

[seeker_two]

Never understood the hype behind the Glock 7 "invisible gun"....

Now, the .800 Magnum....THAT got me worried...

 

[Zoogster]

I think a gun that can go through metal detactors is a very real possibility. Advanced polymers, advanced porcelain etc. It would have to be specificly designed for the purpose from the bottom up as every component would have to be made avoiding materials with undesirable properties. Composite barrels, ammunition utilizing polymer casings with heavy porcelain rounds.

It could be done, especialy if it was not designed for long term use. However the required density of such materials would still likely make them obvious in x-ray machines. This of course could be bypassed by making them of shapes or assembled out of ordinary items engineered to be combined for a weapon later. Such as pens that are barrels, etc. If engineers can design transformers to turn into vehicles and something else for use as simple toys for children, they can apply the same ingenuity to firearms.
It could all be designed to be non ferous as well as non suspicious for visual security.

Porcelain knives are very common now, and they are required by law to include enough ferous metal in the design to be detected by detectors because by default they cannot be.
In fact with polymer barrels, existing caseless ammunition etc all the components already exist for mass produced non ferous guns.

So even though the Glock stuff was all hype, the very real potential of guns designed to defeat security is there, if not already in practice.

 

[Geronimo45]

"I saw someone here on THR refer to a Glock 7 as if it were a real gun..."
It IS a real gun. In the will-orange-juice-strip-Glock thread, I contributed a little of my incredible HSLD expertise to the subject - since I did serve with Delta Force, SAS, Mi9, CIA, and the top secret NATO SpecOps body known as 'Decapolis'.

My Glock 7 was given to me personally by President George Washington himself. He said no other operator could've done what I did (I drove off British deserters who were trying to rob the Mount Vernon Gift Shoppe).
It served okay for a while, but it has its downsides:
1. High price - it was a completely new offering from Glock, and limited to less than a thousand units.
2. Parts availability - practically nonexistent. You had to order your parts direct from Vienna. They took the order and made each one individually.
3. Poor finish - the finish on the slides was a new variety that was extremely strong at first... but after about six months' exposure to the moisture in the air, it degraded rapidly.
4. KBs could kill the shooter. The guns couldn't handle 9mm +P++P+ APIP (armor piercing incendiary polymer) Hollowpoints for many rounds - the guns had major issues at 4,000.
5. Caliber choices - any caliber you want, as long as it's 9mm Luger. No .40, .45, or .86 (22mm).
6. Magazine springs - they lost spring tension after about four months of being loaded to max capacity. Oh, and the 1993 mags (marked GLOCK LEPMI) employed compressed air instead of springs. Novel idea, and it worked - unless you dropped a magazine and stepped on it. Then you'd loose all air pressure and the mag was useless.
7. Galling of the frame/slide. You had to handle the gun with kid gloves. If you happened to replace the slide with the Glock 7 10mm conversion from IMI, you would find that the metal had torn nice chunks out of the frame.
8. No mounting rail - when most of our work is best done in the dark.
9. Broke easily - sure, you shouldn't use your gun as a hammer. What if you have to? You're outta luck. The grip snaps off the frame.
10. Fragile firing pin. Most of our agents took to carrying a titanium model.

Upsides:

1. Very accurate.
2. GLOCk-safe - dropping it won't set it off - just shatter it to pieces. You could have an external safety added.
3. High capacity.
4. No problem with metal detectors.
5. Threaded barrels are readily available for silencer use.
6. Easy to clean.
7. Practically no lubrication is ever needed. Grease is preferred.
8. Lightweight.
9. Reliable. Fed any 9mm Luger round in existence, even empty cases.

 

[ShelledChaos]

im no chemist but wouldnt using a ceramic or porcelain barrel eventualy shatter under the heat and velocity of the exiting rounds after short use by wearing down the walls of the barrel?

 

[Zoogster]

im no chemist but wouldnt using a ceramic or porcelain barrel eventualy shatter under the heat and velocity of the exiting rounds after short use by wearing down the walls of the barrel?

Probably, however polymer (plastic) barrels are more and more common.
Ceramics and plastics are a class of compounds, and there is thousands of potential variations that would be called the same thing in layman's terms.
If it has to withstand pressures there is plastics that can do it. If it has to be hard or heavy there is porcelains that can accomplish that.
When you hear porcelain dont just think of pottery or the china you eat on, just like when you hear polymer it does not mean of the type you use for everyday plastic products.

 

[shc1]

Geronimo45 wow! So you’re the guy that saved the Mount Vernon Gift Shoppe!!!

 

[AZ Jeff]

I think a gun that can go through metal detactors is a very real possibility. Advanced polymers, advanced porcelain etc. It would have to be specificly designed for the purpose from the bottom up as every component would have to be made avoiding materials with undesirable properties. Composite barrels, ammunition utilizing polymer casings with heavy porcelain rounds.

........So even though the Glock stuff was all hype, the very real potential of guns designed to defeat security is there, if not already in practice.

Fundamentally, the biggest obstacle to using advanced polymers, composites, and porecelain-type materials is that, for self loading pistols, MASS is a critical parameter of the design as much is the strength of the material.

A porcelain-based slide might be able to be developed that had the tensile strength needed to contain the propellant burning pressures, but that porcelain would probably lack the density, and thus lack the mass, needed to properly allow the firearm to function/cycle properly.

 

[PILMAN]

I been trying to get a friend into guns, showed him a picture of my USP and he said "Oh is that a Glock?" and quickly mentioned something along the lines of "Damn I knew they were made of plastic, can you get through airport security with that?". *Sigh*

Another friend of mine in Illinois also mentioned about Glocks being plastic and a throw away gun. He said "Man I heard Glocks were really crappy and made of plastic, like the kind a black gangster would buy and use it a few times then ditch it in a trash can in a subway or something." He kept on saying how he wanted a chrome beretta M9 in 9mm.

 

[CypherNinja]

Excellent point AZ Jeff.

If the weight issues couldn't be addressed in a recoil action, they would have to switch to a delayed blowback or gas operated action.....

[Visions of a plastic/ceramic P9]

 

[blo0dyhatchet]

You cant get nail clippers through air port security now, I dont see a glock making it all all.

 

[Wedge]

Geronimo45, you are obviously lying as the Glock 7 was internally supressed by the factory...get your facts straight, the threading was for a FLASH suppressor!




That was the funniest post I have read in a long time!