Go Sam Alito!

[Silver Bullet]

Anytime you think another power grab by Bush is a good thing, ask yourself, "How will I feel about this when Hillary is president?"

You’re exactly right, Malone. I don’t think power grabs, by anyone in government, are a good thing. And, as you point out, it sets a really bad precedent because the next president will use it as a stepping stone. A similar example is the “free speech protest zones” established in Clinton’s administration and now continued during the Bush administration.

 

[Boogyman]

Suit yourself, but it seems to me that you would contribute more by presenting your own ideas and rationale rather than mocking what others have expressed or what you suppose they might think. Otherwise, everyone's troll antennae will be on full alert. You will either be run off or ignored.

These ARE my own ideas. I'm not "mocking" anyone.This is a discussion board, I'm presenting my side of an argument.
And if you wish to ignore me then do so. Please don't try to speak for "everyone". Who do you think you are?

 

[Boogyman]

You were trying to pretend that because most of the media is owned by Republicans

Pretend? it's a FACT.

that therefore the news had a right-wing bias.

I never said the media had a bias one way or the other. YOU did.

I pointed out that the news is written by left-wing reporters.

And GFEN pointed the editors were right-wingers.
Besides, are you saying Bill O'Reilly and Tucker Carlson are left-wingers?

Dan Rather was caught trying to pass off forged documents as fact.

ALLEGED forged documents. Recent evidence points to the documents being genuine.

You would bring up Dan Rather in a discussion of liberal bias in the media ?

You asked for one example of a liberal reporter being fired. I gave you two. Actually Dan Rather was "swift-boated" by Karl Rove, that shining example of the High Road.
Besides, this is a discussion about Sam Alito, remember?

Mr. Roberts is smarter than the two of us combined. He’s not listing “opinions”, he is listing FACTS.

That's your OPINION. You may admit he is smarter than you, but you know nothing of my intelligence quotient. Speak for yourself.

Look, if all you can do is accuse me of "pretending", put words in my mouth, and make assumations of my intelligence, then you are not coming up with any facts or anything even remotely convincing so give it up and get back to Alito, OK?

 

[longeyes]

Owners can fire editors and reporters. Oh, that's "immaterial".

Owners will fire leftwing editors and reporters only when those editors and reporters no longer deliver saleable and profitable product. When the consumer is no longer buying, the owners, capitalists to a man, will respond with their customary vigor. Points of view are product, nothing more, nothing less, for Big Media.

 

[Silver Bullet]

Look, if all you can do is accuse me of "pretending", put words in my mouth, and make assumations of my intelligence, then you are not coming up with any facts or anything even remotely convincing so give it up and get back to Alito, OK?

In other words, you don't have an answer to my challenge in post #70, where I asked you to name a president who has done more for RKBA than Bush.

 

[Boogyman]

In other words, you don't have an answer to my challenge in post #70, where I asked you to name a president who has done more for RKBA than Bush.

I DID. Post #71. TEDDY ROOSEVELT. He did more for gun rights, hunting, national parks and defense than your hero could even imagine. Is this all you have left? Are we going to argue about Teddy Roosevelt now? This is a thread about SAM ALITO, and this is the third time I have asked you to get back to subject.

As I stated before, confirming Alito would be replacing a Moderate judge with a Conservative judge, thus unbalancing the court. And if he "can't recall" anything pertaining to his past decisions, how can anyone say he is competent? Or to be trusted?
I'm sick and tired of all this evasiveness. Why doesn't he just come out and tell the truth, and if he gets the job or not, at least he can say he was up-front and forthright about everything.

 

[Sean Hofhine]

Exactly what did he say that makes you believe he is pro-gun? Save the machine-gun argument, he said in that decision that the government has the right to regulate machine-guns. He disagreed with the majority only over a technicality regarding the commerce clause in the Constitution. I have seen or read nothing else that indicates he believes in an unrestricted individual right to keep and bear arms.

If we just had a few judges in the past that could actually read, we wouldn't have the NFA or GCA '68. Alito calls this one right, and if he can read that the commmerce clause DOESN't apply in this situation, (as no interstate movement was required for the law to tke effect) maybe he could actually interpret
'SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED'to mean what it says. :banghead:

 

[Art Eatman]

Valium time. Nap time. Relaxation of the mind is a Good Thing. Less contentiousness soothes my nerves, also...

, Art

 

[yucaipa]

I have been reading threads on several (some left,some right) boards and I have seen Alito characterized from one extreme to the other, but this a 1st,

how can anyone say he is competent

That is way,way out there. Not even Kennedy,Boxer or Schumer question his resume or his credentials.

 

[Boogyman]

Use the whole statement when you quote me, ok? Post #81. What I said was "And if he "can't recall" anything pertaining to his past decisions, how can anyone say that he is competent? Or to be trusted?"

It's misleading to take a few words out of a statement and present them out of context, as you are doing. My statement was meant to call attention to Alito's "selective memory". Would you hire someone who couldn't remember what he said or why he did anything? What is he hiding?

And if he TRULY can't remember all this, that would make his memory pretty darn bad, bordering on Alzhiemers. You wouldn't call someone with a really bad memory incompetent? People have been commited to nursing homes for less.

If he can't tell the truth, doesn't that call into question his ability to be forthright? And if he is unable to be forthcoming in his answers, couldn't this be construed as incompetence, since being open and honest is a core requirement for the job of Supreme Court Justice? Do you want our judges to be evasive about their reasoning?

Alito's competence seems to be unimpeachable, yet because someone chooses to challenge it doesn't make them "way, way out there." Question Authority. Challenge the Status Quo. Think for Yourself.

 

[swampsniper]

Use the whole statement when you quote me, ok? What I said was is "If he "can't recall" anything pertaining to his past decisions, how can anyone say that he is competent? Or to be trusted?"

It's misleading to take a few words out of a statement and present them out of context, as you are doing. My statement was meant to call attention to Alito's "selective memory". Would you hire someone who couldn't remember what he said or why he did anything? What is he hiding?

Alito's competence seems to be unimpeachable, yet because someone chooses to challenge it doesn't make them "way, way out there." Question Authority. Challenge the Status Quo. Think for Yourself.

If it rattles Diane Feinstein's cage, I'm for it!

 

[publius]

As I stated before, confirming Alito would be replacing a Moderate judge with a Conservative judge, thus unbalancing the court.

Unbalancing? Who said the current "balance" of viewpoints needs to be maintained for all time?

After the Kelo and Raich decisions, I think the Court could stand some "unbalancing" in a conservative direction. Of course, O'Connor voted with the conservatives in those two cases, so we can only hope that Alito maintains the balance and we don't lose more ground.

On an unrelated note, where is this new evidence that Dan Blather's memos were genuine? It seemed to me that the overwhelming evidence was that proportional font spacing was possible, but extremely difficult and expensive, at the time that memo was supposedly written.

 

[Silver Bullet]

you know nothing of my intelligence quotient.

Sure I do. You gave it away when you with your assertion that the media is right-wing, even after I proved you wrong.

TEDDY ROOSEVELT. He did more for gun rights,

WHAT did Roosevelt do for gun rights ? Even if he did, you had to go back a hundred years to find a president prior to Bush that did anything for gun rights.

 

[yucaipa]

Alito's competence seems to be unimpeachable, yet because someone chooses to challenge it doesn't make them "way, way out there."

I love this thread.

 

[Boogyman]

Sure I do. You gave it away when you with your assertion that the media is right-wing, even after I proved you wrong.

You didn't "prove" anything. Again, you seem to think because you said it, it's proof beyond all reproach. And again, I never said the media was right-wing. You can't even get that right.


WHAT did Roosevelt do for gun rights ? Even if he did, you had to go back a hundred years to find a president prior to Bush that did anything for gun rights.

If you want to argue about Teddy Roosevelt or any other president, start a new thread. This one is about a judge. Why can't you get that through your head?

Look, it's obvious nothing I say is going to get through to you, you are stubbornly locked in to your single-minded "mission" to either prove me wrong about SOMETHING or else you don't have the cajones to admit you are wrong yourself. So have at it, Bullwinkle, knock yourself out, I'm tired of beating a dead horse.

 

[Boogyman]

On an unrelated note, where is this new evidence that Dan Blather's memos were genuine? It seemed to me that the overwhelming evidence was that proportional font spacing was possible, but extremely difficult and expensive, at the time that memo was supposedly written.

I have to admit I don't have the names/dates at hand, but the woman reporter who originally brought the memo to Dan Rather has written a book about the incident. I saw an interview on Hardball where she talked about the document that was questioned was only a copy or facsimile of the original document, therefore the modern font spacing, etc.
Perhaps a search of MSNBC's Hardball past segments will turn something up, if I find anything more I will PM you with it.

 

[RealGun]

Anybody know of a good place to discuss Alito in an intelligent, civil, and mature manner?

 

[Boogyman]

Anybody know of a good place to discuss Alito in an intelligent, civil, and mature manner?

You mean somewhere where nobody will disagree with you?

 

[Art Eatman]

Not at THR, apparently.

Art