Good/Bad Areas and What to Carry

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Person 1: In my nice mostly crime-free neighborhood I carry a little revolver or something. If I'm going somewhere sketchy, I carry a full-sized service pistol.

Person 2: I always carry what I'd want to have with me if something bad happened, so I always carry a full-sized service pistol.


This summer I moved from an upper middle-class neighborhood with no street crime to a working-class neighborhood where people get mugged/assaulted with some regularity.

The "what to carry in what kind of neighborhood" question became very relevant to me. Unless I run an errand in a nicer part of town, I'm pretty much always in a "bad" area with homeless guys wandering around, sketchy characters driving old vehicles around slowly to steal things off of porches, young hoodlum guys waking up at noon to walk over and get a 40 oz, etc.

I don't have to wonder how I'm most likely to be assaulted. One or two guys will try to quickly jump me, beat me, and take my possessions. I see them walking around every day. That's what they do when they're not busy stealing lawn mowers or looking for houses to break into or whatever.

So I carry what I would want to have with me if I get jumped. I want something that I can draw and use very fast if someone is right on me, like if they were in bushes or behind a car and jumped out at me.

I can draw a small semiauto or revolver much faster than a full-sized service pistol, so that's what I carry. It has to be carried where I can get to it quickly. That varies with the weather: an easy to reach shorts pocket, OWB under a t-shirt, coat pocket, etc. I prefer a revolver due contact shooting, not getting knocked out of battery, usefulness as a bludgeon, etc. Sometimes a semiauto is quicker, like an LCP in the breast pocket of a coat.

What about accuracy? I noticed something interesting about that on a recent range trip with a friend. We were shooting quickly at paper targets and steel targets at ranges of about 7-10 yards. We shot his LCR and my Taurus snub, his S&W EZ and my Springfield XDS, and his customized Ruger 85 (true story) and my 9mm 1911. He said out of the blue, "I'll be darned if I don't shoot your XDS just as well as my P85..." We started looking at the used targets more closely. We had been just as accurate with the smaller semiautos as the larger ones... and to our surprise, about the same with the snubs as well. Both of us shot every handgun into a roughly fist-sized group, with an occasional flier. We both tried the various handguns on the steel targets, too, and basically hit every time except for fliers. (Note: We're both in our 50's and have been shooting snub revolvers DA for decades.)

The handgun that I myself can carry the most easily and draw the quickest is a small revolver or small semiauto, carried as accessibly as possible. Apparently at SD ranges I shoot those about as well as I shoot anything else. So that's what I carry.

YMMV. Lots of people had decades and decades of training with a certain carry method and handgun type. Doubtless that's what works best for them.



 
Normal small town life = very low threat = Glock 43x.

Going somewhere considered a "bad area" (I tend to avoid) = higher threat = Glock 45 with mounted TLR7 and 2 extra mags min.
 
Threat levels are meaningless. You get what you get, no matter where you are, so plan for the worst.

I try to compromise as little as possible, and basically dont. I carry the gun I shoot all the time and the best with, that will give me the best chance at anything I might get. Same gun, in the same place, every day.

I find full-sized guns are much easier to get ahold of and deploy quickly and are much easier to shoot well with. Choosing proper gear is just as important as choosing the proper gun, and regular practice with both in everyday conditions is a must if you want to be proficient and effective with it.
 
the most important weapon in anyones arsenal is the 6 inches between the ears.

if you change your carry going to a bad place, consider not going there.


^^^This. IMHO, what folks need to do instead of changing firearms, is to work on their awareness and observation skills, so they are less likely to need their gun of choice, or at least put them in a better scenario to use it. My advice is, and always has been, carry the firearm you are most confident with, are most comfortable with and most proficient with. Problem solved.

What I find in most of these kind of threads is the "Use Mine, Use Mine!" responses, as folks try to validate their own choice by getting others to follow.
 
Speed, Accuracy, Power. All three matter.

And all three have to be measured in order to 1) compare results with different tool configurations, and 2) determine whether your practice is actually driving improvement in the results that you think are important.

It does little good to shoot and compare accuracy at 7-10 yards when
I want something that I can draw and use very fast if someone is right on me, like if they were in bushes or behind a car and jumped out at me.

Perhaps your range time should focus more, say, on measuring the time (using a shot timer and written down) required to put two shots in the vitals of a target 0-3 yards away using "carry" power level ammo.

From the holster.

Using the various guns and carry methods you are interested in.

Starting from realistic hand positions and using realistic cover garments.

Shooting one handed and two handed.

And, over time, learning to engage targets on either side of and behind you.


For me, thinking about improving Speed and Accuracy, with as much Power as I can handle, in the situations I am most likely to face, has been the very best path to identifing what I should carry and how I should train.
 
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I always take a bit of an issue with "plan for the worst": I can't carry anything that will be affective against a couple of hundred Chinese paratroops, or a guy in a stolen tank, or a fellow with a machine gun firing from the 37th floor of a building.

So I carry (or at least should carry) for the worst plausible scenario in which I could conceivably win. For me, I don't figure there is much advantage to a full-size gun, nor to having dozens rounds and multiple reloads, so I don't bother carrying that sort of thing. (Your mileage may vary, of course.)

I think @Tallball is exactly right in analyzing his own circumstance and tailoring his preparation to it.
 
The problem with "I'm in a good area" thinking is that criminals are mobile and can travel to good areas. Shortly after we moved from the Chicago area two of our former neighbors in separate incidents were in Chicago suburbs with statistically low crime rates and had gun fights break out around them, leaving them running for cover. I carry the same gun regardless of what area I'm in, and it's the gun I want to have with me if I'm forced to use it. That's my only consideration.
 
I always take a bit of an issue with "plan for the worst": I can't carry anything that will be affective against a couple of hundred Chinese paratroops, or a guy in a stolen tank, or a fellow with a machine gun firing from the 37th floor of a building.

"Plan for the worst" means worst of plausible scenarios, not off-the-wall SHTF, TEOTWAWKI, Walter Mitty fantasies.
 
"Plan for the worst" means worst of plausible scenarios, not off-the-wall SHTF, TEOTWAWKI, Walter Mitty fantasies.
Depends who you talk to. I often have found that "plan for the worst" really means "I think your carry gun is inadequate, and you should carry what I carry."

Or, put a bit more politely, it's "Well, I came across this scenario in the news, and your gun isn't adequate for that, so..."

My argument is that the reasoning should be more like Tallball's: "Of all the unlikely scenarios in which I would benefit from having a gun, the least unlikely are ____ and _____ so that's what I will prepare for."

(The tank guy and the machine gun guy both happened during my lifetime, in places where I've been, BTW...)
 
Why would anyone select a carry piece on the basis of the "kind of neighborhood"?

Might one prudently choose something other than "a little revolver or something" or a 'full-size service pistol"?
 
What caliber guns, what capacity, and how many guns I carry depends on where I am going and what I am doing that day.
 
If I have to defend myself, where makes no difference, the goal of stopping threat(s) ASAP hopefully before they can inflict serious or lethal injury to me is the same everywhere.
Threats are not perceived as easier or harder to stop based on location.

I have a LCP 380 there is nowhere I'd prefer to defend myself with a LCP 380 rather than a Glock 19 (for example).
The LCP 380 is "easier" to carry but the Glock 19 is advantageous in every other way, capacity caliber, speed of follow up shots, ease of shooting.
I'm able and willing to carry a Glock 19 (minimum) basically everywhere.; a LCP 380, snub, Kahr PM9 are acceptable as a 2nd gun in pocket to the Glock on belt.

I strive to carry a handgun that I would prefer to defend myself with anywhere, everywhere.

ETA: In before someone who compromises the variables that under their control in advance like caliber & capacity yet cites the one that is not guaranteed and will be determined under stress as they are fighting for their life ... shot placement.
 
My carry is my carry, period.

The only thing that might cause me to change my carry revolves around whether or not I can conceal my normal carry. Not where I'm going to be, per se.

And since I've historically never had an issue with carrying a full sized Colt 1991A1 (or my current Walther CCP M2+) with casual, nice casual, or formal dress, I've never seen fit to change it up.

Pick your carry and CARRY IT.

As for "accuracy"...I seriously doubt there's more than a tiny fraction of people out there who carry who are good enough under stress for accuracy, as most people think of it, to make any significant difference at typical self-defense ranges. Most firearms, pistols/revolvers included, are capable of greater accuracy than most shooters pulling their triggers.

What matters here is not "accuracy" but "how well you can shoot your chosen weapon". You can have a perfectly accurate gun, but not be able to shoot it well for a variety of reasons, such as how well the firearm fits your hand, how heavy it is, the grip of the firearm, the size of your hand in relation to the firearm, sight picture, etc.
 
If there was a point to the original post...

Where I live now, a mugging attempt is a very plausible threat; it happens regularly. There are also implausible threats: terrorists, gangster gun battles, hired assassins, etc. IMHO it's unwise to prepare for an implausible threat in such a way that protecting yourself against a plausible threat becomes more difficult. If I were to strap a carbine under my coat and walk around ready for some kind of crazy scenario, I would be unable to protect myself effectively against a sudden assault because it would be way too slow to deploy. That's an exaggerated example, but it's why I'm not carrying a full-sized service weapon. My worst-case plausible scenario is being in a parking lot and having to react when someone has lunged out and grabbed me. In that situation I want something small, smooth, and snag-free. For me, a larger pistol would be slower and more awkward to deploy. Its advantages of improved accuracy at longer ranges and higher capacity would be irrelevant.

It might be situational, but in my case moving to a "bad" area did not mean I needed to start carrying a larger, higher-capacity pistol and extra magazines. YMMV.

Tips from a friendly acquaintance who learned I just moved here: Don't trust anyone. Have a dog that barks. Lock everything up. Buy a gun.
 
Same gun every day no matter where I'm going. CZ P0-1 9 MM. Only change is when in a Winter coat I wear a shoulder holster so I carry a .45 CZ 97b.
 
If there was a point to the original post...

Where I live now, a mugging attempt is a very plausible threat; it happens regularly. There are also implausible threats: terrorists, gangster gun battles, hired assassins, etc. IMHO it's unwise to prepare for an implausible threat in such a way that protecting yourself against a plausible threat becomes more difficult. If I were to strap a carbine under my coat and walk around ready for some kind of crazy scenario, I would be unable to protect myself effectively against a sudden assault because it would be way too slow to deploy. That's an exaggerated example, but it's why I'm not carrying a full-sized service weapon. My worst-case plausible scenario is being in a parking lot and having to react when someone has lunged out and grabbed me. In that situation I want something small, smooth, and snag-free. For me, a larger pistol would be slower and more awkward to deploy. Its advantages of improved accuracy at longer ranges and higher capacity would be irrelevant.

It might be situational, but in my case moving to a "bad" area did not mean I needed to start carrying a larger, higher-capacity pistol and extra magazines. YMMV.

Tips from a friendly acquaintance who learned I just moved here: Don't trust anyone. Have a dog that barks. Lock everything up. Buy a gun.
I think what it all boils down to is how much you regularly (and realistically) practice with whatever it is you carry. You also have to be realistic about what your skills actually are. The only way I know to even begin to understand what that might be is to constantly push yourself and work at it.

Regardless of what you carry, and how you carry it, I think if you want to be the least bit realistic, you need to be able to go from "thought" to "bang, bang, bang....", somewhere in the realm of 1.5 seconds, or less. And thats with whatever youre carrying and from however you carry it, and starting without your hand on the gun.

A full sized gun is easily carried, and no hindrance in getting it up and running quickly, and I find that is a lot easier in most cases than a smaller gun thats usually not in a great position to be able to do that anyway, and usually harder to get a good, quick grip on, even when it isnt buried somewhere on your person.

I can normally have my 17 drawn "from concealment", in my normal attire, both indoor and outdoor, year round, in about 1.25-1.5 seconds. I cant draw a handgun from any of my pockets that quick. And the smaller guns are just that much harder to quickly and repetitively get a good solid grip on and shoot well with when drawing them, and even when they are already out.

Ive always looked at this in the "worst case", not what I "think" I might get, or what Im constantly told I will get. You know how that always goes. ;)

The gun you have with you is all the gun you have. Youre going to have to make that work, across the board, and more likely than not, in a way you probably havent even considered yet. So, at least the way I see it is, you have to work constantly to be reasonably prepared for as many things as possible, even if it seems completely unlikely. This isnt about "scenarios", its about being able to shoot in any way you might need to and being able to comfortably do that if you have to.

Doing a wide variety of stuff in practice, no matter how unusual or crazy it might seem, is simply teaching your brain to shoot, and to have done things in practice, so if and when you get something similar to it when things go south, it wont be your first time at shooing that way and increases the likelihood of you making good hits. In other words, get comfortable with shooting in ways that might make you uncomfortable.


Or, you can spend your time getting lost in the TikTok rabbit hole and not worry about it. :)
 
Person 1: In my nice mostly crime-free neighborhood I carry a little revolver or something. If I'm going somewhere sketchy, I carry a full-sized service pistol.

Person 2: I always carry what I'd want to have with me if something bad happened, so I always carry a full-sized service pistol.


This summer I moved from an upper middle-class neighborhood with no street crime to a working-class neighborhood where people get mugged/assaulted with some regularity.

The "what to carry in what kind of neighborhood" question became very relevant to me. Unless I run an errand in a nicer part of town, I'm pretty much always in a "bad" area with homeless guys wandering around, sketchy characters driving old vehicles around slowly to steal things off of porches, young hoodlum guys waking up at noon to walk over and get a 40 oz, etc.

I don't have to wonder how I'm most likely to be assaulted. One or two guys will try to quickly jump me, beat me, and take my possessions. I see them walking around every day. That's what they do when they're not busy stealing lawn mowers or looking for houses to break into or whatever.

So I carry what I would want to have with me if I get jumped. I want something that I can draw and use very fast if someone is right on me, like if they were in bushes or behind a car and jumped out at me.

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The handgun that I myself can carry the most easily and draw the quickest is a small revolver or small semiauto, carried as accessibly as possible. Apparently at SD ranges I shoot those about as well as I shoot anything else. So that's what I carry.
I've lived in a crap neighborhood for 30 years.

IMHO, carry the most capable gun you will actually in fact carry all the time.
 
Thinking that your current relations with your neighbors and small community will remain the status quo. That's folly. What we are facing is violent civil unrest that will turn into ethnic wars and extreme violent bias action against those that have and those who don't. Your "Friendly" relations and neighbors will turn on you fast. NO Carry to live whatever it takes. Slow old men will be easy pickings for the armed social justice crazy wanting their pound of flesh because you have so much. It's crazy thinking but I hear it every day at the gun store / pawn shop. Everyone wants to blame someone else for whatever. Citing whatever justification in their crazy heads. NO carry to live is my opinion.
 
In my previous neighborhood, in the end it didn't matter too much what or how I carried, because the chance of being randomly assaulted while walking the dog or running an errand was pretty close to zero.

Now that I live somewhere statistically less safe, I've put more thought and effort into it. I've starting carrying a couple of new pistols because they're more accessible in certain clothing.

When I get home from being out, I'll often check to see how smoothly/easily my CC piece comes out of the holster. They were always fine when I left the house, but after I moved around a lot, sometimes they're not so easy to draw by the time I get home. That's caused me to discard various holsters and carry methods, and adopt some better ones.

I still like to carry a small revolver or semiauto in a pocket, but I've gotten extremely picky about how the garment and holster. My new thing is a "sub-compact" semiauto OWB under a short jacket. I got a nice leather Desantis holster for this Springfield and it carries very well. It draws easily from 3:00 under a short jacket or outer shirt.

 
If I have to defend myself, where makes no difference, the goal of stopping threat(s) ASAP hopefully before they can inflict serious or lethal injury to me is the same everywhere.
Threats are not perceived as easier or harder to stop based on location.
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