good edc knife advice

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Hey guys, I've been into guns for a long time, so when I go to the gun store I know what I want and what I'm looking for and cant be dooped by the salesman. However I'm just now getting into the knife thing. I'm looking for a good edc knife. I currently alternate between a kershaw shallot, and a sog twitch 2. I like them both, but the handles on both are really slick. Bench made's and spydercos are always recommended to me but they range from 100 and 300 bux. They seem nice and feel good in the hand but are they worth that extra money to invest in. The kershaw was 50 something and the sog was 40 something and seem like good knives all except the slick handles. The guy behind the counter was explaing the difference in the quality of steel used in the various knives but I don't really understand all that. I guess I'm wondering, will the 100 to 300 dollar spydercos and bench mades really hold an edge that much longer or take that much more abuse. Thanks in advance for the help, I just don't want to over pay for an edc knife.
 
Appreciation of good knives can be a catch 22. It's hard to spend on quality when you haven't experienced it. It's hard to experience it if you don't hang out in real life with people who have and use really nice knives.
You don't know how bad you have it with a cheap knife though, until you get you own and start working with them.

I carry cheap knives because I tend to lose them. I like looking at nice knives. I like playing with them. But, I much prefer that someone else spend the money on them. Paying that kind of coin for a knife hurts my soul.
 
I'm agonized because I just hit a stupid randomly placed back button on my keyboard and don't have Lazarus form recovery for firefox on this computer, so I lost a super long post I had written that basically said:

-I have a little $28 h1 ladybug I carry and use for 99.99% of everything
-I have a lot of money in various purpose built small footprint SD knives (2 on me most of the time) that I feel is money well spent
-I don't think a folding knife is good for self defense, except maybe the Spyderco P'kal
-I would get a little utility knife just for utility and if SD is an interest, look into the P'kal (and the method to use it), and/or a sheath knife (fixed blade) -


FBs are more reliable, etc, and can offer a better capability for SD at a lower price point than a folder - and you also want a trainer, whether manufactured or custom made. ESPECIALLY if you get a folder you want a blunt/dull purpose built drone if you're even considering a SD role. I know you didn't ask about SD but it is often implied because people want a "Do everything" EDC and that's like wanting a gun that will be awesome for defense, fun for plinking, impress your friends, and not tick off Carl Levitian...it ain't gonna happen :p

(Just ribbing you Carl)
 
I guess I'm wondering, will the 100 to 300 dollar spydercos and bench mades really hold an edge that much longer or take that much more abuse.

Yes for some steels, no for others. Better question is if you spend 100-300 dollars do you want to use the knife or let it stay pretty? :D

Here's what I recommend you focus on:

Lock type: stay away from liner locks, Spyderco's lockbacks are a favorite of mine, and I love the Axis lock.

Steel: something like s30v, vg10, 154cm, D2, for big fixed blades 1095 is fine

Warranty: I like cheap knifes with good warranties, BM and Spyderco both have solid warranty

Reputation: I like when others recommend a knife based on experience using it.

Folders I'd fully recommend: Spyderco Native (60 bucks), Endura (50 bucks), BM Griptilian (85 bucks).

Lastly: EDC needs to feel good! Try them out in hand before buying. See what works for you.
 
Spyderco has a series of Chinese-made folders that are high in quality and reasonable in price: The Persistence, the Ambitious, and the Tenacious. These all feature easy-to-grip G10 handle scales, feature positive liner locking systems, and quality 8CR13MOV stainless steel. The Tenacious is the largest, the Ambitious is the smallest. I have both the Tenacious and the Ambitious, and recommend them highly. They average around $35 on Amazon.
 
SOG has become spotty with so many Chinese offerings. That said, I have a Japanese made Vulcan Tanto that I really like. The only frustration is with the flemsy pocket clip.

If you really like a no-slip high quality option, check out the Cold Steel Lawman. I picked mine up for $80, and it is built like a tank & really holds an edge. Grips are like sandpaper.

That said, more often than not, it is a Case medium stockman w/ Stagg panels riding in my pocket. It seams to carve boxes, apples, deer & pigs just fine.
 
Quality Drugs

There are a couple of manufacturers I can recommend as "gateway drug" sources.

Buck Knives makes a basic "Select" version of most models (420HC steel) that's well heat treated, well profiled, and well sharpened. For example, take the Buck Vantage Select (one-hand opener). This is what I would consider "basic sound quality." They also do a series of "Avid" versions (Sandvik 13c26 steel) that is a bit of a step up in quality and cost. The Avid (Sandvik steel) is currently my favorite version because the steel is quite durable yet easy to sharpen. They also do a "Pro" version (S30V steel) that I consider to be above my "pay grade" both in cost and sharpening effort. I only have one of those, and I have not yet had to sharpen it.

Kershaw is another manufacturer with excellent basic quality. You can get into, for example, a Packrat (assisted open) in Sandvik 14c28n steel for about $30. A delightful knife, easy on the wallet, eyes, and hands. A step up from that, at around $50, is the Leek (also assisted), available in two or three different steels and with half a dozen types of handle material.

The knives I've mentioned above aren't uber-blades, nor do they cost uber-dollars, but they are fine examples of good pieces at reasonable prices.

Similarly, Spyderco has a number of reasonably priced pieces in good steel, and their quality is good and very consistent.

Using those brands as a jumping off point, you get exposure to the basic quality benchmark without leaving too many scars on your checkbook. They're not the only brands having good quality and price combos, just the first ones that came to mind.

As you become accustomed to having quality in your hand, an interesting exercise is to go back and try a cheaper knife and compare its feel, fit & finish, cutting quality, and ergonomics with your quality baseline.

In my own case I found I was no longer interested in "cheapie" pieces once I'd had a taste of decent quality.

And, once you have an appreciation for the cheap-vs-quality benchmark difference, you can look farther up the quality scale and begin to appreciate how it is that there are "ordinary" looking pocket knives with $300 and $400 price tags. The Chris Reeve Sebenza is one example of a knife of almost absurdly high quality, one that will take abuse over an extended period and not fail. Benchmade and Emerson also make "ridiculously" high quality pieces.

I have a couple of boxes of knives I bought in the early stages of figuring out what would work well for me. I go back and examine them from time to time, try some of them out again, and occasionally sell or gift one away.

If you begin by spending somewhere in the $30-to-$75 range, you will very likely have a decent quality starting point. As you try different things, you will find that some blade shapes work better for you than others, you will have preferences regarding size and weight, and there will be pieces that appeal to you for purely aesthetic reasons. (Hard to resist a purty knife.)

I hope this brings more clarity than confusion.

 
You can get an H1 Dragonfly from Cutlery Shoppe for $50 shipped. It's a small but grippy knife. Try it for a week, and if you don't like it, I'll buy it from you.

You can get a Delica for around the same price. Slightly larger, and a little tougher because of the steel liners.

Good luck,

John
 
@Piraticalbob- Spyderco actually added another knife to the Tenacious line that's even larger called the Resilience.
 
I guess it would of helped if I told you guys what I'd be using the knife for. I work in a rubber plant and sometimes the tools supplied by the plant arent enough in which case you have to reach for the ole folder in your pocket. The Sog twitch 2 which i carry is a great little knife but a little small when I need it. The Kershaw shallot is the other knife I carry but I've noticed its sleek design and stainless steel handle that has absolutly no texture is hard to deal with when I'm at work and my hands are sweaty(love the knife but not doing the job I need it to do seeing as how I cant grip it in the hot plant) I saw a guy cut slam through a tire(which is impressive considering what all is in an 18 wheeler tire) in the plant with a bench made but I'd like to stay in the 100 dollar range tops. From what I'm told being on a 100 dollar budget bench made is out of the question. So for a 100 dollars what would be the most comprable to the benchmade knife?
 
Spyderco, I actually like them better than Benchmade, and don't really see the point of choosing a Benchmade over a Spyderco.



Maybe a certain mod on this forum has turned me into a fanboy?
 
Benchmade Griptilian.... great folder for the money.

Think of a knife as a tool. Buy once , cry once.

If you use tools a good bit , you can tell the difference when using a Snap-on ratchet vs harbor freight. If you seldom use it , then HF quality will probably suffice , but if it is a go to item ( and gone to often ) , get the best you can afford to use.

** I have many knives , all get used to some degree , I use my knives many times a day for numerous tasks. So the value to me is in the quality , knowing it will work , it will last and maintain an edge. The Sebenza is a knife you will be hard pressed to wear out , as are others mentioned , Spyderco , BM , Kershaw , etc. **
 
An absolutely incredible deal in a hard-use knife is the Spyderco Manix 2. Folding knives don't get much stronger. $80, shipped, from Cutlery Shoppe or several other sources.

To the OP: I like Kershaws, but find aluminum handles usually too slick, as well. I've even had Spydercos with aluminum handles I thought were less functional (case in point: I have a Salsa that is a great knife, but it would be better in G10 or lined FRN).

Spec Ops~ you're cracking me up. :)

John
 
From what I'm told being on a 100 dollar budget bench made is out of the question. So for a 100 dollars what would be the most comprable to the benchmade knife?

As I said, you can get a Griptilian for 85 bucks. For 105 bucks, you get get a BM 15020 Bone Collector in D2 steel. It's much beafier than the Griptilian, so try both out before you buy.
 
I'm a Benchmade guy, and my EDC is their Barrage folder.

It cost me a little over $100 after shipping.

Mostly it cuts open boxes, sometimes heavy cardboard, sometimes wires, trims fingernails, etc. It holds an edge pretty well, but it's not a miracle knife that never dulls, so I sharpen it about once a month, whether it needs it or not. It usually does. It grips pretty well.
 
How about two knives? I carry a SAK for the "everything" use and carry a SOG Flash II clipped behind my belt buckle(can be reached with either hand). I don't use the SOG for any purpose except SD so it stays razor sharp. The around $20 SAK is used "hard" and for everything. If I break or lose it, not much gone.
 
I have 2 Kershaws, the Leek and the Blur. The Leek is small, fast and sharp but not the greatest for grip.The Blur is a little bigger, sharp, has a very grippy handle and is s30v steel for $65 at budsguns. Both are smooth one handed opening although the Leek is faster. The only problem with Kershaws are the pocket clip aren't ambidextrous.
An imprtant factor for me - American made.
 
I'm so glad I started this thread when I did and got the advice that I got from you guys.

The local mecca for buying knives had a one day going out of business sale, everything must go kind of thing. So I went and they were selling their knives so cheap it was unreal. I got a bench made griptillian for 70 bux, a spyderco delica for 35, a benchmade h&k knife for like 40 and a sog for cheap it was like 30. I went knife crazy but they were selling them for cost and I didn't know what I wanted so I was like what the heck.

But upon leaving the knife store I went to the gun store and started shooting the breeze with my gun guy and I was so proud of that bench made I pulled it out and showed it to him and he looked at it and said" Hey thats kind of nice but my sog will cut that in half." talk about raining on a parade LOL! He later told me he fell out with benchmade because they were rude to him when he approached them about carrying their products in his store.
 
You made out!

I'm no Benchmade fanboy- related to what I feel were some unethical actions in the past- but I'd take a Benchmade over an SOG any day. Nice snag. :)
 
So I went and they were selling their knives so cheap it was unreal. I got a bench made griptillian for 70 bux, a spyderco delica for 35, a benchmade h&k knife for like 40 and a sog for cheap it was like 30. I went knife crazy ...
Muahahahaha... and so it begins. :D

Good on ya. Now I'd never say you're set for life knife-wise after that group buy... but it's a great start. :p

Soon, you too may have a footlocker or two filled with nice shiny, sharp things. Whatever you do avoid buying anything Busse, RAT and Randall Made and... well, it's a sickness I tell you. But a good one.
 
I'd say you did very well. If it's a full size griptilian you got it at used prices. The Delica should be a good summer carry as it's so light weight.

The Sogs are neat, but no way do they beat a BM.

Which HK did you get?

Where were these deals?

Good on ya. Now I'd never say you're set for life knife-wise after that group buy... but it's a great start.

Yeah, it may get you by for a few months.....maybe.
 
I carry two Benchmades, my everyday "work" knife is a Mini-Griptillian.

That said, I'm going to say something slightly controversial about knife steels.

For a cheaper EDC work knife for those that tend to lose them, I like 440C steel. You have to make sure it's 440C. Not A or B. If it just says "440" it's A.

440C is reasonably durable, easy to sharpen, and holds a decent edge through a decent amount of use. Is it the best steel? No, but it is good enough for most purposes.
 
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