Further research has shown no correlation between gun laws, either those that restrict the carrying of weapons or those that liberalize it and the crime rate. Gun laws have a negligible effect on the crime rate. Crime rates continue to be controlled by more complex social and economic factors then gun laws. For example, Wisconsin and Tennessee have roughly the same population. Wisconsin has no concealed carry and Tennessee does. Which has the lower crime rate? Clue, it ain't Tennessee. Sort of disproves the notion doesn't it?
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Further research has shown no correlation between gun laws, either those that restrict the carrying of weapons or those that liberalize it and the crime rate. Gun laws have a negligible effect on the crime rate. Crime rates continue to be controlled by more complex social and economic factors then gun laws. For example, Wisconsin and Tennessee have roughly the same population. Wisconsin has no concealed carry and Tennessee does. Which has the lower crime rate? Clue, it ain't Tennessee. Sort of disproves the notion doesn't it?
The Swede
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Is it a full moon tonight? This is not the response I would have expected from most of you. Trashing the good guy. Or do the majority of you just like to antagonize?
To me most of you are basically saying if a BG point a gun at you, you will either run or curl up on the floor in the fetal position. No the BG didn't point his gun at the samaritan but at a fellow human, honest worker, putting that person's life in danger.
The guy acted on his instincts and may have saved some lives. He didn't hit any bystanders. I think he took care of business. I applaud him.
To me most of you are basically saying if a BG point a gun at you, you will either run or curl up on the floor in the fetal position. No the BG didn't point his gun at the samaritan but at a fellow human, honest worker, putting that person's life in danger.
The guy acted on his instincts and may have saved some lives. He didn't hit any bystanders. I think he took care of business. I applaud him.
In a recent thread: What would you do if restaurant you are dining in is being held up ( http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=432210&highlight=scan ) there was considerable discussion of what to do. This is pretty much what I have been told to expect. If you engage the bad-guy, durned near count on taking a bullet or two. Just "food-for-thought" lest we all get too tempted to thump our chests.
Guy is a hero for certain. I'll be praying for him.
Geno
Guy is a hero for certain. I'll be praying for him.
Geno
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Here's another good guy who acted on his instincts. Another case where while his actions may have been laudable, a good outcome in today's climate is not always the norm.
http://www.arktimes.com/Articles/ArticleViewer.aspx?ArticleID=bc6732a3-93b2-41e3-a106-076ceda31298
pgeleven
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lets not forget that we live in a country that sometimes allows the families of criminals to sue 'said hero' for anguish of losing their loved one (criminal)
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and even though he may have done the right thing, he may have nightmares and mental scars for the rest of his life because he killed someone. situation doesnt always dictate what will go on in your head down the road. dont believe me? head down to your local VA clinic and see how many of those guys didnt lose one night of sleep after they came home. many of us are brazen enough to say 'id shoot that ba$**** and go home and eat a steak with a beer while the american flag waves behind me as they prepare my ticker tape parade'. but until you actually have to pull the trigger on a 'him or me' situation, don't say crap like that.
Buck Snort
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Vern Humphry wrote: "It isn't the money the robber steals, it's your life. You spend the rest of your life in fear and shame."
My question is, in fear and shame of what?
My question is, in fear and shame of what?
I got my CHP for the purpose of defending myself & family in the event of a direct threat against my (our) lives, not so I could take a bullet for the king.
I didn't get it so I can stop robberies at BK and it didn't come with a bat cape.
What a lot of people seem to either not realize or are deliberately ignoring is that this man is going to live with the effects of his decision for the rest of his life. And I would be willing to bet he will do so without any assistance from BK.
I can't think of too many portions of the human body that can take a bullet without some type of permanent effect ( maybe side to side across the butt.)
Unless the bad guy directly threatened our good sam it was (IMO) one of the dumbest things he ever did.
I didn't get it so I can stop robberies at BK and it didn't come with a bat cape.
What a lot of people seem to either not realize or are deliberately ignoring is that this man is going to live with the effects of his decision for the rest of his life. And I would be willing to bet he will do so without any assistance from BK.
I can't think of too many portions of the human body that can take a bullet without some type of permanent effect ( maybe side to side across the butt.)
Unless the bad guy directly threatened our good sam it was (IMO) one of the dumbest things he ever did.
Here is a thread I started a while back asking: How “Prepared” Are You…Really? ( http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=321969&highlight=Prepared ). For certain, this CCW holder knows now. My own posts in that thread are more thought and wonder. You read it though, and you'll witness some pretty good thought process going on in advance by several THR members. I hope the locals give this person a hero's acknowledgement for his bravery and self-sacrifice.
So, let me ask all of you, how prepared are you...really? No need to answer. Answer only in your own private thoughts. How prepared are you, really?
Geno
So, let me ask all of you, how prepared are you...really? No need to answer. Answer only in your own private thoughts. How prepared are you, really?
Geno
pgeleven
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a shooting isnt as easy as black/white. in a confrontation, not everyone will have the same mental preparedness as the next. while one CCW holder could pull off this scenario in one shot, the next CCW may 'spray and pray' and cause more collateral damage than if the thief just got his money and fled. as CCW's its not our duty to police the world and look for trouble. if the samaritan was directly threatened, then he should be able to fight any legal ramifications that may later ensue, but if he caused unnecessary actions by shooting the guy then thats a whole different story.
when i did my CCW class, they brought in an attorney to do a Q&A chat on what we can and cannot do. one of the answers was iin just about so many words:
Q: say i am in a liquor store, and its being robbed, am i allowed to shoot the perpetrator?
A: no. you are not law enforcement and you are not allowed to instigate deadly force upon anyone. you can only fire in self defense, so unless the robber has his gun pointed at you, and you can CONVINCE a jury of your peers that you felt that your life was in danger, you cannot shoot him. and if you DO fire a shot, it had best be only on the front side of the individual, or you will be serving time.
I understand exactly what you are saying. But I'm not ready to jump in and say this guy made the right choice until I have more information. Was the robber herding everyone into the freezer for execution? If so, it might have been time to take the chance. If not, our CCW holder gambled on action and lost.
Who is starting a fund to pay his medical expenses and care for his family while he recovers? It's time for all you guys who are so quick to throw the word hero around to put your money where your keyboard is. This guy who took the action you are advocating here is in serious need of your financial help. so which one of you is going to step up to the plate?
pgeleven
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probably not just medical expenses, even if he was 100% in the right, he may have to spend a few bones defending himself in a courtroom. situations like this dont just go away after the smoke clears. even when a police officer is involved in a shooting, he will be put on administrative leave, AFTER they run toxicology tests and investigate the shooting to make sure it was justifiable.
ACORN
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I don't know the exact quote but to paraphrase "All that is required to evil to prevail is for good people to do nothing". Hats off to the CCW. No telling who the robber may have shot if he'd been startled by a crying baby or who knows. He got what he deserved. Good riddance.
rainbowbob
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I wouldn't have a clue as to how to go about it. I assume we would need to set up a website, PayPal, etc? If someone does set up a fund - I would be happy to contribute. If anybody knows about this - please let us know.
rogerjames
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I doubt that our hero chose to get involved because he felt some duty to BK. I venture that he either feared for his own life or the life of an innocent BK employee.
We have deep canals along many of our roadways here in south Florida and cars end up in them all the time. Some folks keep on driving... and some stop, dive in, and try to rescue the occupants. Never saw any of 'em with a bat cape.
I have never been personally involved in either type of incident I just mentioned, but I would imagine the suddenness and spontaneous nature of the event does not allow for much "smart/dumb" decision making, but rather instinctual reactions.
Buck Snort
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Qwert65 wrote: "Buck snort if you don't know, you probably wouldn't understand."
Aw go ahead, I just MIGHT be a bit smarter than you think.
Aw go ahead, I just MIGHT be a bit smarter than you think.
rainbowbob
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I second that emotion!
mesinge2
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It amazing to me that people said the legally armed citizen should have done nothing. Yes, he suffered for his courageous act. That simply makes him more worthy of praise. I, myself, have pulled my gun to stop an attempted robbery. Thankfully no shots were fired because the suspect dropped his gun upon seeing mine; but if the Good Samaritan here did wrong then what is the second amendment defending. I think this man is a hero.
Were you the victim? What happened after the robber dropped his weapon?
HarleyFixer
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I sure am glad that I will NEVER have to depend on you people.
mesinge2
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Jeff, the victim was a hardware store I frequent. I kept my gun on the suspect until the police arrived. He was arrested and the store owner informed me later the survalence camera footage was used to convict him.
HarleyFixer
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You know SOME people do things just because it is the RIGHT thing to do. They are NOT so selfish as to think of only themselves all the time but actually think of helping other people. I hope he is hailed for the Hero he is and receives all the assistance he needs.
Buck snort,
It has nothing to do with being intelligent. It dosen't even have to do with being brave.
It's hard to explain, and to be honest I don't like talking about the things that will illustrate my point the most. I will say that I have been a victim of robbery on several occassions. It is not a pleaseant feeling. I've also been in situations that have involved me hurting people(who in my opinion deserved it). I've been on both ends of violence and it's ugly on both ends. I'm really rambling here and I apologize. My point is only the robber, the ccw and GOD(if you so choose) know exactly what went down(and even then may be incomplete) I don't know if he was right or wrong I wasn't there. But there is "logical" right and there is "living with yourself" right.
I apologize if I am not clear, maybe after I've slept on it I can try to explain better
It has nothing to do with being intelligent. It dosen't even have to do with being brave.
It's hard to explain, and to be honest I don't like talking about the things that will illustrate my point the most. I will say that I have been a victim of robbery on several occassions. It is not a pleaseant feeling. I've also been in situations that have involved me hurting people(who in my opinion deserved it). I've been on both ends of violence and it's ugly on both ends. I'm really rambling here and I apologize. My point is only the robber, the ccw and GOD(if you so choose) know exactly what went down(and even then may be incomplete) I don't know if he was right or wrong I wasn't there. But there is "logical" right and there is "living with yourself" right.
I apologize if I am not clear, maybe after I've slept on it I can try to explain better
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