Gungeek, so you read the thread twice and still didn't get my point. Hmmmm. How you transfered me asking if anyone had been in an armed confrontation with a snubby to say that I had and am therefore an expert is, well, unfair to say the least. I asked if anyone had, so that we all could get first hand info. I did offer that Bill Jordan and Col Askins did carry snubbies for many years in LE and wrote extensively about it. I offered their expert info, in lieu of my own. I explained , quite clearly(but I'm sure you read it , since you read the whole thread twice), that it's not fair or accurate to, when someone asks what is a good round, just roll off velocity and expansion statistics, as there are alot of variables and NOONE was discussing that. So, did you have a valid point or did you just get on here to focus on me personally?
Eyez, no this thread was not hijacked, it was interjected with some real info. If you think that info about the pig isn't relative, maybe you should stay on the range, 'cause a 200lb thug jacked up on PCP will be the biggest pig nightmare you ever had. I just pointed out that one should consider different loads in winter , than in summer and IMO, the best rounds are the one's that has lowest flash, 'cause you have a 90% chance of your encounter being in low light, and a round with low recoil, 'cause there's 90% chance you'll need accurate follow up shots. If this isn't the info you feel is useful, then just ignore me, I'm talking to those who do.
Btw, for most places, you're not even allowed to shoot at anyone that's 15 yds (or more) away.
Editted to add: I'm no expert , but I do carry a S&W M66-1 , 2 1/2"bl and I've been studying ballistics since I joined the Marine Corps back in '76. I studied everything I could get my hands on in the 20th century. I studied the FBI ballistics and the absurd "computer man" and Fackler, et al. As anyone who studies ballistics knows, it all falls short. So then I changed my focus to real life incidents and found the info I was looking for, but was quite surprised to find the simplicity and frankly, the direct opposite direction than the so called "experts" were going. Grandpa was right! The bigger the bore, the better. The only way you're gonna shut a man down is to sever his spine or shut down the hydraulics and the latter will still take some time. Clothing, accesories, bone structure,etc DOES make a difference. There IS NO ONE PERFECT ROUND. Sure that high velocity , super expandable round will smash the heck out of a man's rib, but it probably won't stop him(there's been NO evidence that a wound cavity caused by a high velocity round{the whole premise of high velocity, is that it causes an 'explosion' within the wound cavity} has dropped a man). There's numerous accounts of LE firing numerous rounds of 9mm jhp into a suspect (emptying a 15 rd mag amd most of another) and he not stopping and sometimes went on to kill the officer. Col Askins wrote of the effectiveness of the SWC. Why would you want a round to fragment? It hits something solid and it's energy is used up breaking it up. Why not have the energy transferred as one unit , to the target, whether it penetrates or not? If the bullet itself doesn't penetrate and cause wound cavity, the energy will transfer deep within. Most often , the follow up shots determine the outcome.
