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I purchased a flintlock a few years back from a LGS. As near as I can tell, it was a custom build in .50 cal. The underside of the barrel is marked Getz Beaverton PA. It has a 3 digit serial number. I believe it was made by Don Getz. The markings were done with a pencil engraver? Not sure who did the actual rifle build. What would be a good starting load for this rifle? Any further info as to possible maker would be appreciated.
 

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I cannot tell you where I read it, but as I recall the starting load in grains of 2F/3F powder should be 1.5 times the bore diameter in inches, which would be (1.5X50=75) 75 grains of black powder.

I recall reading that some old gunmakers would spread a sheet on the ground in front of their shooting bench and increase the powder charge until they found unburned particles on the sheet, as a way to determine the maximum charge.

Me? I would begin with a powder charge equal to the bore diameter ( 50 grains in this case) and shoot 3 shot groups over a rest, swabbing the barrel between groups, increasing powder 3 to 5 grains per group to determine the most accurate charge. When I did this with my .54 caliber T-C Hawken, I shot the best 50 yard groups with 85 grains of 2F Schuetzen.

Your mileage may vary.
 
Start at 55g 3f REAL black. Increase powder charge by 2g and shoot for groups. You'll probably find most 50s group best at 65-70g 3f
 
Truth is … like a woman, only THAT barrel can tell you what she really likes!

Read up on this method of load development, as it is possible to find a low co$t, low recoil and very accurate target load and then an equally accurate bit higher-powered hunting load, that is …once you find the ‘nodes’.

I do it for EVERY firearm I own, BP and/or those ‘others’ that I reload fixed ammo for, but the method described below is for BP. For BP I usually start 5 to 10 grains below the caliber, so 40 grains for a 50, again that would be where to start for the target load.

 
I don't like wimpy loads either and I abhor punching paper. I don't like shooting off of a bench either. I'll shoot off a bench at paper when I sight a rifle in but once I get a load worked up for it it rarely sees paper again.
 
A word here about "mouse fart" loads.

ALL guns, black powder or otherwise, have nodes where accuracy will be best. Find them and your gun will be as good as it can be and that means hit or miss is up to you. Then it's up to you to practice and learn the gun and it's trajectory to hit reliably. A "mouse fart" in a 50cal or larger will kill white tail just as well at reasonable distance as will a much higher power load. Bullet placement is key and it does you and your quarry no good to develop a flinch because of misguided machismo. Case in point, many will diss the loads we use in muskets in the N-SSA as "mouse farts" but that 400+gr chunk of 58cal lead is still moving along at about 1000fps. Compare those ballistics to the 44mag, which nobody will ever call a "mouse fart" and it changes the perspective. I know many in the N-SSA that hunt with the exact same musket and load they compete with and the deer still go into the freezer. If you get caught up in the chase for "more power", and there's nothing inherently wrong with higher power, remember the other factors like increased recoil that can lead you to developing a flinch which makes the shooter less accurate.
 
A word here about "mouse fart" loads.

ALL guns, black powder or otherwise, have nodes where accuracy will be best. Find them and your gun will be as good as it can be and that means hit or miss is up to you. Then it's up to you to practice and learn the gun and it's trajectory to hit reliably. A "mouse fart" in a 50cal or larger will kill white tail just as well at reasonable distance as will a much higher power load. Bullet placement is key and it does you and your quarry no good to develop a flinch because of misguided machismo. Case in point, many will diss the loads we use in muskets in the N-SSA as "mouse farts" but that 400+gr chunk of 58cal lead is still moving along at about 1000fps. Compare those ballistics to the 44mag, which nobody will ever call a "mouse fart" and it changes the perspective. I know many in the N-SSA that hunt with the exact same musket and load they compete with and the deer still go into the freezer. If you get caught up in the chase for "more power", and there's nothing inherently wrong with higher power, remember the other factors like increased recoil that can lead you to developing a flinch which makes the shooter less accurate.

I hunted with a .50 Cal for 30 years with a 90 grain charge and all too often I got no exit wound and I was left tracking deer with little to no blood trail. Once I moved up to a .54 with a 90 grain charge all that ended. and I never looked back I diss the N-SSA because they don't use original service loads and other things like drilled sights. They have no respect for history.
 
While it obviously would be possible for a .50 caliber muzzleloader to be lethal to a whitetail deer using 40 grains of Black Powder, I can't imagine trying to argue that it is an ethical load for hunting purposes.
I've passed up plenty of shots when I wasn't certain I'd have a clean kill that I'd be able to recover.
A 40 grain charge would severely limit those opportunities.
 
I hunted with a .50 Cal for 30 years with a 90 grain charge and all too often I got no exit wound and I was left tracking deer with little to no blood trail. Once I moved up to a .54 with a 90 grain charge all that ended. and I never looked back I diss the N-SSA because they don't use original service loads and other things like drilled sights. They have no respect for history.
90g in a 50cal is way more than needed but, if your gun could group with that, then it's all good. By moving up to a 54cal with the same charge, you've effectively lowered your charge level by increasing the bore size. I've seen more than one 54 shoot rather well with 90gr.

As for the "service charge" thing. What most don't take into account here is the quality and makeup of the powder then v now. Without testing to confirm the energy/gr of any given grain size of original powder v modern makes any "historic" comparison pretty much meaningless. The best we can hope for is an approximation. Also remember that 45g 3f Swiss is every bit as hot as about 50g 2f Goex without the same level of fouling. So is 10g under the "service charge" a "mouse fart" if both the modern powders yield very close MV to an original per ordnance records? It is a very well known fact among serious shooters that nodal points are absolutely where accuracy occurs and with that in mind, every combination of powder, cap, lube will yield different results because they all have different vibration patterns hence, nodes. True, some in the N-SSA use very light loads but many, me included, use loads that do have some recoil but all that is based on accuracy. Some older folks don't like tons of recoil and given the amount we shoot at a match, recoil can begin to work on your accuracy quickly and there's no reason to induce flinching if you don't have to.

But back to original v modern reprop, just because the "original" minies were .575 doesn't mean they worked in production rifles of the period because tolerances from the lowest bidder vary quite a bit so some rifles shot well with .575 and others would be hopeless. By taking that variable into account you can get very good accuracy just by adjusting the size of the bullet to function as Minie designed it. For those wanting an authentic experience with "service" ammunition, go ahead, but don't expect anything like usable accuracy unless it just happens by chance. Even in modern service rifle matches, if allowed by the rules, competitors will NOT be shooting "service" ammunition. It will be custom tailored to the rifle for utmost accuracy and is often under the "service charge". So are they shooting "mouse farts"?

I learned long ago that "more power" doesn't always equate to accuracy. One of my friends back in the day was all about power and how much powder he could get in a cartridge without blowing it up. At the range, in inpromtu matches, I'd thrash him almost every time with my ammo that was tailored to the gun.

A true "mouse fart" load I've seen is pretty much most Cowboy Action ammo. That's a speed competition shot at close range and accuracy isn't nearly the premium it is in N-SSA or other matches shot at distance.
 
90g in a 50cal is way more than needed but, if your gun could group with that, then it's all good. By moving up to a 54cal with the same charge, you've effectively lowered your charge level by increasing the bore size. I've seen more than one 54 shoot rather well with 90gr.

Way more than needed for what? I use the same charge for targets that I use for hunting and I was never happy with a 90 grain charge. Anything less would have been unacceptable. If it had grouped well with 100 - 110 grains I would have used that. I killed a lot of deer with my .50 but I don't like tracking and I had to track too many of them without the benefit of an exit wound. I was fully expecting to be able to use 100-110 grains in my .54 and groups were acceptable and I could have used them but I started testing at 90 and it just so happened that's what it shot best. I figured it couldn't do any worse than the .50 so I started using it. Now I admit my results are lop sided because I killed a lot more deer with the .50 and only killed 10-12 with my .54 but all of them dropped right there and all had an exit wound. Some tried to get back up but couldn't do it. If I had been able to hunt for 30 years like I did with the .50 instead of 10 years the overall results may have been different. I don't think I could have killed 10 deer with the .50 without having to track at least one of them tho. I realize once you get to a certain point it's a case of diminishing returns but that doesn't mean it's not more effective. As for the N-SSA all I can say is whatever floats your boat but it's not for me.
 
The old rule of thumb was to place a ball in the palm of your hand, and pour enough powder over it to completely cover the ball. That would be a good load to start with. You can weigh that charge to find out how much it is. And please don't give me any guff about not weighing Black Powder.
 
The old rule of thumb was to place a ball in the palm of your hand, and pour enough powder over it to completely cover the ball. That would be a good load to start with. You can weigh that charge to find out how much it is. And please don't give me any guff about not weighing Black Powder.
That was my rule of thumb when I first started out in the game. Some of the old timers made fun of me even back then, and one of them told me to "throw" five charges and weigh them. He was right: there was something like a 20% spread.
 
...Case in point, many will diss the loads we use in muskets in the N-SSA as "mouse farts" but that 400+gr chunk of 58cal lead is still moving along at about 1000fps. Compare those ballistics to the 44mag, which nobody will ever call a "mouse fart" and it changes the perspective. I know many in the N-SSA that hunt with the exact same musket and load they compete with and the deer still go into the freezer.
Yup. My father took deer with his Richmond carbine. 45 grains of 3F, behind a .575 Minie. Through-and-through every time.
 
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