Goofy Armslist deals

[Bruno2]

Even with pics and the seller swearing up and down that the gun is in like new condition I am not going to commit to a price w/o laying my yes on it to inspect it. I have looked at too many cars with multiple pictures and a seller swearing by its condition that didn't turn out to be what I thought was good condition. My version of near mint and a lot of others version usually turn out to be two different things.

 

[hAkron]

Anytime I've ever sold anything online, I honest to a fault describing anything that may be wrong with the item. You know you are going to have to meet the person, and they are going to have your private contact info, so you might as well put all of your cards on the table up front. If both parties have done that, then there should be no need for further negotiation. You don't have the best negotiating leverage after you've already made a deal. If there is something wrong, then by all means, but if the item is as described, then you should honor your end of the bargain.

 

[Bruno2]

I am not making an offer on nothing that I haven't seen in person. Call me crazy, but that when the rubber meets the road.

 

[SunnySlopes]

It's been a while since I did a PPT but when I do, I always spell out my conditions beforehand. I let them know I'll be checking their driver's license and that each of us will receive a copy of the transaction, signed by each of us.

I've only had one person nix the deal because of it, and he was the seller.

 

[Bruno2]

Good for him!

 

[SunnySlopes]

Yeah, like I said, in all the transactions I've done, he was the only obtuse one. I'm glad he backed out. Saved me a drive.

 

[TennJed]

I am not making an offer on nothing that I haven't seen in person. Call me crazy, but that when the rubber meets the road.

There should not be a problem with this as long as it is clear before you meet. Do whatever makes you feel comfortable asking as it is discussed before hand. Want to see I'd, fine just agree on it before hand. Want to leave the price open to negotiation once you meet, fine, just be clear of this before the meeting takes place

 

[SunnySlopes]

just be clear of this before the meeting

Any seller who refuses to confirm ID, provide bill of sale, etc, should send up a huge red flag to a potential buyer.

 

[Bruno2]

Why? It's still within the law in most states.

 

[TennJed]

Any seller who refuses to confirm ID, provide bill of sale, etc, should send up a huge red flag to a potential buyer.

Why? Not illegal in most places. I have no problem doing it if a seller ask, but I understand why some would not want to. Show a guy I don't know my drivers license and address, then make small talk about my job. Who is to say that guy want come over and rob you while you are at work.

Heck, asking for it could be a red flag. Why do you need a person's name and address? Can you tell if they are a felon by checking ID?

 

[SunnySlopes]

I'm in Tulsa. We've got the big wanamacher show. The ATF has been known to go to private sellers and say, "Now, I'm not from this state, but you'll still sell to me, right?"

They're trying to screw people over. And I wouldn't put it past them to respond to Armslist ads with the same method.

You're entitled to conduct business any way you choose. I choose to, whether I'm buying or selling, let the other party know that I'm simply going to look at his driver's license to confirm he's a resident of OK. He's free to decline or accept. I've only had one person decline.

I don't write anything down. I just look at it to confirm he is who he says he is. If I'm buying, then he'll give me a bill of sale with the date, serial number, purchase price, etc. There aren't any addresses written down.

 

[TennJed]

I'm in Tulsa. We've got the big wanamacher show. The ATF has been known to go to private sellers and say, "Now, I'm not from this state, but you'll still sell to me, right?"

They're trying to screw people over. And I wouldn't put it past them to respond to Armslist ads with the same method.

You're entitled to conduct business any way you choose. I choose to, whether I'm buying or selling, let the other party know that I'm simply going to look at his driver's license to confirm he's a resident of OK. He's free to decline or accept. I've only had one person decline.

I don't write anything down. I just look at it to confirm he is who he says he is. If I'm buying, then he'll give me a bill of sale with the date, serial number, purchase price, etc. There aren't any addresses written down.

That is a fine approach to take, but you said earlier that anyone not willing to do so should be a huge red flag and I disagree. Remember the guy on the other end doesn't know you either and may wonder why you want his info. I can understand why you would want to ask, but I also understand why someone would decline. Neither is cause for a red flag or concern. Also it is a lot of difference in someone telling you up front they are from out of state (like the sting op) and not showing ids

 

[thorazine]

Any seller who refuses to confirm ID, provide bill of sale, etc, should send up a huge red flag to a potential buyer.

Also get fingerprints and a DNA sample to play it safe!

 

[SunnySlopes]

Remember the guy on the other end doesn't know you either

Yes that's a valid point. All of my face-to-face transactions take place via our local gun board and so we pretty much know each other, by screen name, at least.

If I ever did a deal off armslist I can see how it could be a different matter.

 

[Liberty1776]

Hey Madcap -

I live in MN too. On Armslist sales I also require seeing a permit to purchase and license, just to try to cya, against selling to a sting, or a felon. I don't keep info, I just want to see it. There's too much furor right now in MN about guns and the push for new laws

(And though I have a Permit to Carry, I refer to it as a CCW, sorry all...)

Heck, sometimes I even refer to a magazine as a clip...