Are you asked to surrender your expired carry permit? Would you, if asked?

[CoRoMo]

I don't know if this is a Colorado thing or if it exists elsewhere. For that matter, it might only be my county sheriff doing this and may not occur elsewhere in my state.

An employee of mine renewed his carry permit and the sheriff asked that he bring in his expired permit once the new one arrives in the mail. The letter that was included with his new permit reiterated something to the effect...

"As requested by the sheriff, please return your expired permit in person or by mail."

I don't recall that being the case in the past, so maybe it's just the new sheriff. Nothing I can find would seem to make this a requirement by law.

Anyway, my questions are these:

• Where you are, are you asked to surrender your old permit?
• If asked (not required) would you do so?
• Why do you suppose they ask for the old card?

I realize that if this were a requirement by law, we'd all do so. But I'll ask one of those questions in a poll get a informal count here.

 

[Sam1911]

Hmmm...seem to recall that my Sheriff's office took my old one when making up the new one. I didn't ask for it back.

Why would you NOT give it back? I can't think of any possible problems that might arise ... that aren't already present due to their possession of all my identifying data in other media anyway.

 

[CoRoMo]

I guess we move slower out here. Here, the new one is mailed to us a while after submitting the renewal app, so we have to hold onto the old one until the new one comes in the mail so that we can actually carry with a permit. Then it's a drive across the county to hand in the old one, but it doesn't look like it's actually required; just requested.

 

[dc.fireman]

Hmmm...seem to recall that my Sheriff's office took my old one when making up the new one. I didn't ask for it back.

Why would you NOT give it back? I can't think of any possible problems that might arise ... that aren't already present due to their possession of all my identifying data in other media anyway.

Exactly, Sam. I'm simply surrendering a useless piece of paper, as far as I'm concerned. The fact that someone is making me HAVE that piece of paper in the first place, bothers me more than giving it back to them.

 

[HoosierQ]

In Indiana, if your permit actually lasts physically to the 4-year renewal date (they've gone to lifetime now which makes it even worse) it's a miracle. I've gotten cash register receipts printed on stouter paper. One of the downsides to living in a low tax, small government state I guess...which may or may not outway the benefits mind you...just saying.

 

[bergmen]

Mendocino County, California. Our issuing agency (Mendocino County Sheriff) does not ask for the expired license (two year renewal cycle). I keep 'em as souvenirs (got five of them in my file cabinet).

Dan

 

[drsfmd]

NYS permits do not expire... never had to deal with this one.

 

[armoredman]

I had to send in my old permit to prove I had the training required for my new one. The old one expired in 1998,and I still had it in the safe in 2012.

 

[silicosys4]

I don't understand what the issue is here. I wouldn't want my old, expired CC licenses. I cut mine up with scissors and threw it away when my FFL handed it back to me with a grumpy look and told me it was expired and that I should know better than to try and scam him....threw it away, took my new one out, apologized, and gave it over. I don't like the idea, remote as it may be, of one of my old cc permits falling out of my wallet or getting stolen, and used by someone for something nefarious, or having the info used for something...
I am all for CC permits. I know of many people who, while not criminal, have NO business randomly carrying a firearm.

 

[dogrunner]

I must be a packrat as I keep that kinda stuff. I've over fifty years of hunting licenses and fifty of carry licenses.........Why not keep 'em.......YOU paid for the things.......might make an interesting montage for a man cave.......I've shown hunting regs from the 50's to friends that can't believe just how uncomplicated things were way back when.

I guess I'm the single poster that said he'd not return it.........hey, I was a cop for over three decades and STILL have every badge I've ever worn as well as all the old I.D's..

 

[Texan Scott]

The only reason to keep it (because it's otherwise useless) is to prove you used to have it... which they already know. An expired permit (or drivers license or passport) on criminal hands only invites crime and fraud. Especially since they're only asking for it because they gave you a NEW one, who cares?

 

[tightgroup tiger]

That's something I've haven't heard of either. When I moved to North Carolina I left my permit from PA run out because at that time North Carolina wouldn't honor it.

I never heard a word from pa. When I got my NC CCW I cut up the one from Pa, it had no value at all.

If they wanted the old one back for some odd reason of Id on renewal or what ever, I have no use for the old one. Why not?

 

[runes]

Never been asked for the old one in Virginia.
I paid for it, it belongs to me.
Never been asked to turn in an old drivers license

 

[CoRoMo]

The poll is flawed. :banghead: I left out an option for my own situation!

I need to take more care and thought when I make a poll. Dang.

Anyway...

I know that when I renew my vehicle's registration, the DoT doesn't ask for the expired card. I believe they expect that I can dispose of the old trash just fine.

Do any of you surrender that document too? Maybe they should be asking for that one too.

There's yet another option I could have added in the poll: My issuing body here does not ask for it but that doesn't stop me from giving it to them.

My main curiosities are:

• What's the case where you are.
• WHY would they ask for it?

The second one there is more of a puzzle I suppose. So... how many possible answers can we come up with to explain WHY they have to have that old card? Keep it out of the wrong hands? (seriously?) To make sure it is destroyed? (seriously?) I now wonder if they really do destroy them. Do they? Why can't we?

I might have to call them and ask because I have a hard time believing that they think of us all as so incapable of being able to secure the old card from 'the wrong hands' or being able to dispose of it properly.

 

[bergmen]

I do not understand the "being in the wrong hands" issue. The issuing agency has the record of current licensees, holding a bogus one will not get the holder anywhere. This is no different than having an old expired drivers license, no good to the holder.

And if there are concerns about the data on the LTC, in California LTC holders information is public and available to anyone who asks. Newspaper reporters have requested and published data on LTC holders on a number of occasions.

I have cancelled passports in my files, they are a record of my international travels in my past going back to the 50's, they are treasured documents.

My heirs will look through my stuff one day and revel in the fact that I have possessed many LTC licenses in my life. I have many of my fathers documents from the 1920's and 1930's that I trasure as family heirlooms.

I don't understand the concern.

Dan

 

[Beaux Nehr]

I read the original post, then I read his signature, and then I laughed heartily to myself.

 

[EddieNFL]

I do not understand the "being in the wrong hands" issue. The issuing agency has the record of current licensees, holding a bogus one will not get the holder anywhere. This is no different than having an old expired drivers license, no good to the holder.

Have you ever seen what a tech savvy thief can do with virtually any document?

 

[bikerdoc]

They do not ask for it here and I shred the old one after I pick up the new one.

 

[bergmen]

Have you ever seen what a tech savvy thief can do with virtually any document?

It doesn't matter. When produced to LEO (or any other official requesting the license), they will immediately call the issuing authority to check for validation. Same as they do for a driver's license. Bogus license = busted.

But, I am not in the least concerned about that since no one (and I mean no one) is going to get hold of ANY of my documents that are valuable to me (passports, property deeds, pilots license, parachuting licenses and ratings, log books, etc., etc.).

Dan

 

[DAP90]

When I renewed mine here in Denver they didn’t mail me the permit, they mailed me a letter saying it was ready to be picked up. I went down to pick it up and they asked for the old one, which I promptly gave them. They handed over the new one and I never thought about the old one until this thread.

My guess is they’d want it back to make forgeries harder but who knows.

 

[TennJed]

See no reason to keep it and I am sure not going to hassel a LEO over it. If they want it then here ya go. I can't honesty see any reasong to be concerned over them having it anyway.

 

[Hunterdad]

What good is an expired permit? Unfortunately, having a permit isn't a right, its a privilege. Why mess with that?

 

[Steve CT]

In CT I renew at the State Police Special Firearms Licensing Unit (SFLU). The only way you can renew is to present your existing permit, which is not returned to you.

Complete your renewal, pay your fee, photo taken, and the new Permit is issued

http://www.usacarry.com/connecticut_concealed_carry_permit_information.html

 

[GBExpat]

If it were required by law (which it is not) here in the Commonwealth of Virginia, I would, if they asked.

 

[hso]

Where you are, are you asked to surrender your old permit?

Nope

If asked (not required) would you do so?

I don't even have time to do all the things I'm required to do so I doubt I'd do something not required of me.

Why do you suppose they ask for the old card?

I can't possibly imagine why a dated document with a clear expiration would need to be turned in. Since we can renew online and the new permit is mailed to you I don't know any practical way to enforce such an idea.