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For buying Cigarettes.
I am 48 , well until Monday anyway.
So here I am in AR at a USA Drug and asked to see ID. Huh? AR Law does not sell Tobacco to persons younger than 18 . One has to be 21 for alcohol.
Silly me asks "why".
Reply - "we don't care if you are 90, have to show ID".
I resisted the urge to toss a couple of CCW permits on the counter...I used my College ID. " I need to see a legal form of ID". Great the folks at DMV takes the worst pics...she accepts this.
So in the parking lot I ask the Asst Mgr. "State Law, 35 yrs old in appearence or younger we to "have"card for tobacco...In fact since we sell Beer, we card everyone 35 yrs old and younger..."
Now I'm more curious, get home and punch up Ark.Leg...all I can find is the legislation in regard to the amt of tax revenue, quite a bit on this btw
Dial the phone, for Ar State legislative questions...I actually talked to a human! I am transferred to the Tobacco Control Board. [ umm okay, didn't know we had that ]
I am informed that one must be 18 in the State of AR to buy tobacco.[ Yep I knew this] Proof of legal photo ID,...such as DL, Military ID includes "kid of Military ID", ... School ID ( mine is not legal because my DOB is not on it...yeah we have a lot of 12 yrs olds at college with College ID *smirk*).
I am informed that a LOT of "home offices" are making the corporate decision to make their own policies, some places it is 27 , 29 , 35 years of age for both tobacco or alcohol sales, folks are to be carded. Well okay, that is their right, it's CYA deal.
So I ask just whom or what is the AR Tobacco Board akin to ? Who does the enforcment?
Think of us as being the "T" as in the ATF.
We have our own enforcement officers and protocol, actually we have some broad jurisdictions and powers.
We use informents, and send underage persons in to buy tobacco products. We do not "bait or decieve" by sending a underage person in that "might" appear older than they are.
At this point I'm thinking F troop. Might as well ask and further my education. So I ask about going out of state and buying cigarettes , how much can I buy and bring back to AR "legally". Answer : 1 carton and 1 pack. Anymore and I would be "bootlegging"
"What about those internet sites ...especially the Native Americans, that sell tobacco on-line"
Reply- "That is illegal as well. We are having a devil of a time with bottlegging and internet sells. We have raised fines and all...we have procured more means to catch folks...enforcment has new methods, techiques and all...don't know how we can deter and STOP this activity".
I replied " In all due respect ma'am, you cannot STOP it. All this does is keep an honest man honest. Remember Prohibition? Truth is folks are gonna do what they wanna do. One thing folks do not want is to be Controlled ...especially when that control is under the guise of something else...like tobacco tax monies.
- Silence-
I continued to state ," I don't want to argue the tobacco or alcohol use ...anything else of minors. Part of the problem is parents don't teach kids and raise them such. Schools...public schools for too long have preached this feely -touchy "gummit gonna take care you" doctrine. Everybody else jumped on the bandwagon.
Now ma'am a lot of kids, including girls, asked about tobacco growing up. A parent or grandparent would hand them a smoke, teach them to roll one, or a plug of chewing tobacco. Kids get light headed and start coughing...maybe they don't like that plug of tobacco...they never ever touch it again. Responsible parents / adults taught and answered questions...curiousity satisfied. Or they got butt spanked when sneaking off , lying about it and got caught...heck some would have had a chance to try in front of a parent and evaded the spanking."
Being more curious ( and tacky) I holler at my just turned 24 yr old neighbor and we hit a local Mom&Pop drug store, a two gas stations with a "mart" inside. She was not carded, she is young looking for her age...I mean young. Maybe the shorts , sandles and low cut top without a bra is the trick...I dunno
Well I wanted to share this.
Shaking my head and wondering about the "T" enforcement team . They got flash bangs and such ?
I'm such a threat to society, White male, late 40's...gee I've been profiled Travis McGee was right I see...
I sure am glad the State of AR is protecting me...
I am 48 , well until Monday anyway.
So here I am in AR at a USA Drug and asked to see ID. Huh? AR Law does not sell Tobacco to persons younger than 18 . One has to be 21 for alcohol.
Silly me asks "why".
Reply - "we don't care if you are 90, have to show ID".
I resisted the urge to toss a couple of CCW permits on the counter...I used my College ID. " I need to see a legal form of ID". Great the folks at DMV takes the worst pics...she accepts this.
So in the parking lot I ask the Asst Mgr. "State Law, 35 yrs old in appearence or younger we to "have"card for tobacco...In fact since we sell Beer, we card everyone 35 yrs old and younger..."
Now I'm more curious, get home and punch up Ark.Leg...all I can find is the legislation in regard to the amt of tax revenue, quite a bit on this btw
Dial the phone, for Ar State legislative questions...I actually talked to a human! I am transferred to the Tobacco Control Board. [ umm okay, didn't know we had that ]
I am informed that one must be 18 in the State of AR to buy tobacco.[ Yep I knew this] Proof of legal photo ID,...such as DL, Military ID includes "kid of Military ID", ... School ID ( mine is not legal because my DOB is not on it...yeah we have a lot of 12 yrs olds at college with College ID *smirk*).
I am informed that a LOT of "home offices" are making the corporate decision to make their own policies, some places it is 27 , 29 , 35 years of age for both tobacco or alcohol sales, folks are to be carded. Well okay, that is their right, it's CYA deal.
So I ask just whom or what is the AR Tobacco Board akin to ? Who does the enforcment?
Think of us as being the "T" as in the ATF.
We have our own enforcement officers and protocol, actually we have some broad jurisdictions and powers.
We use informents, and send underage persons in to buy tobacco products. We do not "bait or decieve" by sending a underage person in that "might" appear older than they are.
At this point I'm thinking F troop. Might as well ask and further my education. So I ask about going out of state and buying cigarettes , how much can I buy and bring back to AR "legally". Answer : 1 carton and 1 pack. Anymore and I would be "bootlegging"
"What about those internet sites ...especially the Native Americans, that sell tobacco on-line"
Reply- "That is illegal as well. We are having a devil of a time with bottlegging and internet sells. We have raised fines and all...we have procured more means to catch folks...enforcment has new methods, techiques and all...don't know how we can deter and STOP this activity".
I replied " In all due respect ma'am, you cannot STOP it. All this does is keep an honest man honest. Remember Prohibition? Truth is folks are gonna do what they wanna do. One thing folks do not want is to be Controlled ...especially when that control is under the guise of something else...like tobacco tax monies.
- Silence-
I continued to state ," I don't want to argue the tobacco or alcohol use ...anything else of minors. Part of the problem is parents don't teach kids and raise them such. Schools...public schools for too long have preached this feely -touchy "gummit gonna take care you" doctrine. Everybody else jumped on the bandwagon.
Now ma'am a lot of kids, including girls, asked about tobacco growing up. A parent or grandparent would hand them a smoke, teach them to roll one, or a plug of chewing tobacco. Kids get light headed and start coughing...maybe they don't like that plug of tobacco...they never ever touch it again. Responsible parents / adults taught and answered questions...curiousity satisfied. Or they got butt spanked when sneaking off , lying about it and got caught...heck some would have had a chance to try in front of a parent and evaded the spanking."
Being more curious ( and tacky) I holler at my just turned 24 yr old neighbor and we hit a local Mom&Pop drug store, a two gas stations with a "mart" inside. She was not carded, she is young looking for her age...I mean young. Maybe the shorts , sandles and low cut top without a bra is the trick...I dunno
Well I wanted to share this.
Shaking my head and wondering about the "T" enforcement team . They got flash bangs and such ?
I'm such a threat to society, White male, late 40's...gee I've been profiled Travis McGee was right I see...
I sure am glad the State of AR is protecting me...